I would throw myself in front of a bus to save my child...

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Blackrook, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Blackrook

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    I have never had to do this, but if it happened I have no doubt what I would do.

    If a bus was bearing down on my child, I would without hesitation jump in front of that bus, push my child out of the way, even if it meant my certain death.

    And I think any good parent would do the same thing.

    So I do not understand the argument that a baby should be killed to save the life of his or her mother.

    It seems to me that if there is chance of saving the baby, any chance at all, a good mother would gladly die to give her baby that chance.
     
  2. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    And women who seek abortions would throw their child in front of a bus, just so they could get a bus ride and not have to walk the 9 blocks or so to wherever it is they are trying to get to.
     
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    I think most would

    However if that were a test tube with a couple of fertilised eggs in it - would you do the same?
     
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    False anlogy.Just another fanatic, and pointless to argue. You want to treat women worse than cattle, O.K. eat it.
     
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    Not in my village you wouldn't they just cut the bus service completely ! From one a day to none at all.

    Abortion is rarely an easy choice but even in the most children freindly Civerlisation we know of, That of Ancient Egypt, there were still abortions. You are lucky if you never had to make such a choice but you have no right to Judge others in less fortunate circumstance ........and anyway abortion is only the business of the woman whose body the fetus is within. No body elses at all ......we can sympathise with a would be father ..but it is her choice and none of your business so stop worrying about it and get on with your own lives ,,,,,unless of course you wish to go back to actual slavery with women as the Slave for that is what you advocate.
     
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    Well, let's examine the argument here.

    If a a woman dies while pregnant, I am pretty sure there is zero chance of the baby she is carrying surviving without a supply of oxygen and nutrients.

    Unless of course you mean that people are killing babies after they are born in order to ensure the survival of the mother. I, however, am not aware of that happening nor am I aware of any reasoning that would support such actions.
     
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    btw Mother Teresa was a Sadistic Evil Old Hag ........Suffering is the only way to God she said and she made all who were unlucky enough to find hemselves in her clutches suffer as much as she could. Her high was to watch .............

    She went into war torn areas and grabed/kidnaped women who were pregnant through rape ..that is who her 'mothers' were. She threw them out and later the children. Both rejected by their own both to live in the gutters .....There was an amazing man who also went to the same war torn countries and perfomed abortions on rape victimes of war .they could go home.
     
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    Some parents would shove their child in front of the bus to kill it.

    You wouldn't.

    So what?

    Sorry if that sounds callous but you have only demonstrated your worth as a parent. Your worth as a parent has nothing to do with public policy on abortion.

    A foetus isn't a "baby" either, might want to be a bit more careful with the words there or your points might be labelled ludicrous.
     
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    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    Someone with the guts to say what a lot of people know but are too (*)(*)(*)(*) scared to say.
     
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    Have to say it darling because her legacy carries on, it didn't die with her :)
     
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    More's the pity. Her Order should be disbanded. Where are the BJP radicals when you need them?
     
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    Unless you propose to make it a crime for a parent to fail, in exigent circumstances, to sacrifice his or her life for that of his or her child, I don't know what your point is.
     
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    The law, in general, imposes no duty to rescue another from danger.

    But there are exceptions, one of them being a parent has a duty to rescue his or her child from danger.

    So yes, a parent who fails to rescue a child could be prosecuted.
     
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    Would you get a swollen abdomen and feel a little nausiated for 7 months to save your child?
    Because we are not asking women to throw themselves in front of a bus, just tolerate a little inconveniece.
    ...but some women apparently would rather fit into a skimpy bathing suit for summer

    The law also criminalises murder. Really, the only thing that needs to be clarified in the law is that abortions for convenience are not to be exempted.
    An how old someone has to be before they become a human life, capable of being murdered.
     
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    Ummm .. well .. perhaps because it is not a baby !!
     
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    I'm sure most of us are aware of that, but you've shifted the goal posts. We are not talking about a general responsibility of a parent to rescue his child, we are talking about a responsibility to rescue his child even at the expense of his own life. So unless you believe the state ought to prosecute a parent who, having the ability to do so, fails to push his child out of the path of a speeding bus that will most likely kill him, I still don't see your point.
     
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    Are you saying you would sacrifice your wife's life for the life of the fetus?
     
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    No one has to sacrifice their life to save the baby.
    Despite what pro-choicers would have us all believe, the actual medical conditions that could necessitate an abortion to save the woman's life are very very rare.
    In fact, "medical reasons" are more often just used as an excuse to get an abortion, just like how in some countries women falsely claim rape just so they can get abortions.
    In many of these medical situations, getting an abortion will only reduce the medical risk to the woman by a small margin, so it is really more about whether or not the woman wants the baby than about the woman's actual health.

    In other words, in these medical situations, we are really just asking the woman to run across the street to save her child. Sure, there is a small chance she might get run over by a car, but it still is really nothing like asking her to throw herself in front of a bus.
     
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    Being that your not the mother I wouldn't expect you to understand; so don't be too hard on yourself.
     
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    Oh! my Word!

    IS that all you think happens?

    Methinks there is more research to be done by some
     
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    NOT that rare - google up "maternal mortality"

    Oh! and ignore Ireland's claim of zero maternal mortality - seems they have not actually been keeping records............
     
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    NOT that rare - google up "maternal mortality"

    Oh! and ignore Ireland's claim of zero maternal mortality - seems they have not actually been keeping records............
     
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    It wouldn't be my sacrifice, it would be my wife's sacrifice.
     
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    Hmmmmm - that is sort of the point

    So to even it out, let us say your wife cannot carry a child and there has been an advance in medicine to allow men to become pregnant (actually it is possible now but there is a huge price to pay)

    Would you carry that child for her?
     
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    If she were unconscious, it would be your decision.
     

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