IDF soldiers detain five-year-old Palestinian for stone-throwing in Hebron

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  1. Gilos

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    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/watch-idf-soldiers-detain-five-year-old-palestinian-for-stone-throwing-in-hebron.premium-1.535260



    Some proportion is needed.....,

    The Boy and the Father were released but they shouldnt have been detained in the first place,

    That what happens when 18 year old soldiers serve as Police officers and have a ton of regulations to follow, Israel occupies the WB for far too many years its destroys our young men minds,

    If no solution is found in a year or two Israel should just define its own borders with some of its most important ally countries and be done with this occupation, its poision.
     
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    Hamas has stated clearly that it accepts Israel on the pre-1967 borders. What it does NOT accept is a ' jewish ' State- and neither should anybody else.

    The West Bank and Gaza must form a contiguous State. You must give up stolen territory.
     
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    Its borders are already defined and internationally recognized as the correct, legitimate borders.

    I am very happy that you recognize this continuous occupation is bad.
     
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    The borders with Syria and the Palestinian territories are still in dispute.
     
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    18 year old police officers are a big issue , even 25 year olds are .
     
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    Yes, but I can imagine that facing a 5 year-old armed with a stone must have been a terrifying prospect for the brave warriors of the IDF.
     
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    How about a good massacre? Wipe out the entire community the boy and his father belong to; that should send a strong message. After all, such tactics worked for the Nazis, right?
     
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    Without justice, without an agreemnet, knowing full well the terror will continue, I dont think the borders as the Arabs decided are fair- could be reverted to, Jerusalem could not be split giving the terrorist an arm range from Israeli targets, for the WB I dont know but the army + gov + Israel allies would define the reasonable borders from their view, not Arab view.
     
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    Dont get hysterical and compare that incident or such ppl to Nazis.....
     
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    A kick in the butt was all thae action someone can give a 5 year old.....better yet make him stand in the corner for 30 min, but hit him with the entire procedure of an arrest ? waaay too much, the soldeirs simply lost measure, the officer should have made a better call and I hope he will get a complaint about that + change the regulations or something.
     
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    No one asked their opinion about the nature of Israel, the fact they fight against it is illegal.

    Without an agreemnet I dont see any way they will have a contiguous State, but we will get our ppl out of there, those residents we will choose to annex will get citizenship and that will be it.
     
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    Unacceptable! The stone could easily have done as much damage as the rockets they fire!

    Right!
     
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    Care to show us the pre-67 borders map where the West Bank and Gaza were a contiguous State?

    According to YOUR statement "Hamas has stated clearly that it accepts Israel on the pre-1967 borders." but their actions obviously prove that the be a LIE.

    " What it does NOT accept is a ' jewish ' State- and neither should anybody else." is far more clearly reflecting their agenda.

    It sucks when an "organization" and it's proponents are obviously incapable of even lying effectively.

    Dismissing your usual Anti Semitic Ravings as off topic, let's get back ON TOPIC.

    Let's assume the Palestinians are actually interested in their own country... What do they intend to do with it? If they throw Hamas out as they are no longer in need of a fruit fly buzzing in Israel's ear and would wish to have normal relations with Israel, what exactly do they intend to do to bring in money as they would presumably be out of the Terrorism Training and Export business?

    Agriculture? Manufacturing? Who will be in charge?

    A five year old child should be IN SCHOOL learning to read and write, not out throwing rocks. Do Palestinian children EVER attend school like children in EVERY successful country on the planet?

    Where are the Palestinian Doctors going to come from? How about businessmen and accountants? Engineers? Is the Palestinian plan to have a country living on the cuff forever?

    A five year old child throwing rocks at cars in any country is an indication of something wrong.... PARENTING? Does that concept exist in Gaza or are children simply something to toss into firefights and to collect unexploded munitions so their deaths can be exploited by the lazy slob leaders for political gain?

    I don't support everything Israel does, they make mistakes like everyone else. The IDF is a force of human beings, like every Military Force and at times some human beings lose discipline and do bad things... like arresting a 5 year old child, but the PARENTS of that child are also culpable.

    From the Israeli perspective, why would they consider giving more to people who prove time and again that getting what they want isn't enough. The Israelis completely withdrew from land conquered in Lebanon during a war they didn't start in 2000. Israel asked the UN to establish the actual border to assure they didn't hold any land they weren't entitled to.

    The UN Security Council established "The Blue Line" and Israel withdrew even beyond that. Exactly what Lebanon and Hezbollah wanted. Resulting in peace? Nope; resulting in constant rocket attacks from the land they returned.

    Hamas has done much the same with Gaza. Hey screw me once shame on you... screw me twice shame on me. What do you say when it's the tenth or twentieth screwing?

    As far as I'm concerned, The Palestinians have no beef until they demonstrate that the result of any concession isn't going to be more of the same. Rocket Attacks end.... Terrorist Attacks end.... Start to demonstrate how Palestine can be a good citizen in the World Community. Right now I see uneducated buffoons leading less educated buffoons raising idiots to be a never ending line of problems with no solution.

    Tell me Palestinian Apologists and Sympathizers; why shouldn't Israel distrust people who have proven themselves untrustworthy? Why also shouldn't the Palestinians try to prove those of us who don't trust them, wrong. Hint: throwing rocks and launching rockets isn't how one tries to make friends.
     
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    Why wasn't that 5 year old in SCHOOL? What are his parents teaching him? Threatening prospect.... maybe to you but I'm certain not to them, still something worthy of intervention at some level.

    How long do you let kids throw rocks.... is the cutoff 7? How about 9? How about when he reaches 15 and rocks aren't fun anymore but rockets are?

    Life must be wonderful in the land of unicorns and rainbows, where ALL Children will grow up to be polite, respectful, educated credits to their community. Unfortunately for me, I don't live in that land... mine is here on Earth and your kids grow up to be as good OR BAD as you let them be.

    Arresting a child? Didn't happen. Arresting the Parent for allowing the child to be truant... Should have.
     
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    Well, maybe they're on Summer break? Would a five year old even be in school yet - Not sure what Paleos do regarding that; I think they start first grade at 6.

    How to aim? Proper trajectory? Pitching style? Granted, none of this will be necessary once he puts on his first - and last - suicide vest, but even so -
     
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    Seems they're always on Summer Break... even moreso than my kids here. My point was that regardless the time of year or day, there are plenty of Palestinian kids throwing rocks and running around in the middle of firefights....

    Perhaps they're really just Pallywood actors used to add drama to the situation and to be exploited when something happens to them, real or imagined.

    BTW? Who teaches Suicide Bombing Classes? Wouldn't the "experience" per-requisite narrow the field down significantly? Like Kamikaze instructors, the ability to talk about your first mission pretty much labels you as a failure.
     
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    Really. Does this quote from an Israeli military communication mean anything to you ?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Is racist diatribe a popular pastime with baby seal clubbers ?
     
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    How Paleos teach suicide bombing:

    [video=youtube;lEYYYMuwCyA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEYYYMuwCyA[/video]
     
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    will yu report the man who ran down the child in this video?


    [video=youtube;vvOVvu1S0s0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvOVvu1S0s0[/video]

    this video from 60 minutes has some really scary comments, not to mention actual footage of a child getting run down by the pigs.


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    perhaps freedom is something each have to fight for?

    Maybe he was having his first lesson; hating bigots!

    Heck, if I was a palestinian child and was taught that freedom is good and oppression is bad, I know I could have been side by side with that child, throwing rocks at bigots.




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    LOL - It's not easy being a FREDS, Knuckleballer. How many jobs can you think of where survival is an occupational hazard?
     
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    More israeli soldiers commit suicide, than muslims with a suicide vest, in most every given year.

    Do the homework, and find what is real.


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