IDF STATEMENT "No malice in the killing of the 3 hostages"

Executing people who are topless with their hands up with a white flag is not an "accident of war". It is a war crime. And that applies to the IDF as much as it does to Hamas or anyone else who does it.

Your desperate need to defend the IDF regardless of what they do reminds me of the people who defended the Americans at Abu Ghraib.

 

Again with the propaganda.

 

What Propaganda?

From the CNN article:

This is confirmed BY ISRAEL.

Is there anything whatsoever that you would condemn if the IDF did it?

 

"The probe also concluded that the “hostages were walking shirtless, and one of them was waving a white flag, standing at a point with limited visibility relative to the position of the soldier that fired the shot.”

In the days before the killing of the hostages, the report said Israeli soldiers heard cries for help in Hebrew coming from a building while troops fought Hamas gunmen, adding that the soldiers thought it was an attempt to trap them. Also, a camera that was mounted on a military dog during the fight captured the voices of the hostages crying for help.

That same day, a note reading “Help” in Hebrew was found at the exit of a tunnel, the report claimed, which Israeli soldiers interpreted as an attempt by Hamas to lure them."


ah, so no Yiddish.

What say you @Esau ?

 

When they shoot their own citizens fleeing from Hamas, topless and holding a white flag, trying to surrender to them and seek their protection....

Are we then really to believe that they are not indiscriminately killing Palestinian civilians, under the belief that anything that moves must be Hamas?

 

Israelis will most likely end up in jail if they condemn the idiot diaper force for any action. Israel is not a free social we have seen recently. It is a military dictatorship backed by USA to do it's dirty work in the "middle East"

 

Just like Gaza under Hummus rule. No freedom of speech or thought. Just dictatorship.

 

This is what really happened. The killing was a tragic accident committed by a couple of battle fatigued soldiers who understandably did not follow the rules of engagement set forth by the IDF. The link contains much more detail and photographs. Read it and learn.

And none of this tragedy would have happened without the initiating actions of Hamas. Hamas is responsible for the deaths of these three and all of the deaths in Gaza.

You left a lot of detail out of the CNN article.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/batta...h-when-he-did-a-soldier-shot-him-probe-finds/

 

Right but we are not backing hamas are we doh!

 

Some of us are.

 

I don't think it fair to call Israel a dictatorship. I think Nettanyahu regime could be voted out, if the people wanted to. Hamas on the other hand hasn't had an election since their initial taking power.

Some here have tried to hold all Palestinians as valid targets becuase "they voted in Hamas".... when in reality it has been so long that half of them were not old enough to vote at the time. And going by such logic, Israel DOES have somewhat regular elections, and did vote in Nettanyahu.... Its stupid logic, but it backfires spectacularly if you do go with it.

 

I have not denied that. Why do you keep repeating it?

It is NOT a defence for IDF action against civilians. Hamas being bad doesn't make IDF not bad. Hamas being responsible doesn't make the IDF or Israel not also responsible. Can you grasp that basic logic?

 

Right, you can say hamas is a military dictatorship but WE ARE NOT BACKING HAMAS ARE WE

 

I'm having this same circular argument with some pro Israeli also lol

 

The truth is that Israel is defending its citizens and Hamas is using Gazan civilians as human shields. The only way to end the tragic loss of both Israeli and Gazan civilian lives is for Israel to eradicate Hamas from Gaza. Unfortunately because of the self admitted human shield policy of Hamas Gazan civilians will tragically lose their lives. But Hamas is responsible for that loss of Gazan life.

 

I actually said Israel was a military dictatorship, not a dictatorship. There is a slight difference.

 

Human shields are part of war, all armies use them. There is no excuse for killing civilians, ever.

 

If Hamas dissappeared tomorrow, that would not be the end of the abuse and killing of Palestinians by Israel. You would have to be very naive to believe that it would.

Israeli citizens having been taken hostage by Hamas and fleeing to IDF soldiers, being gunned down by IDF solideirs, were not human shields. They were human targets, indiscrimintely selected for destruction based on the mere imagining of said soldiers that they must have secretly been Hamas.

So is Israel. One being responsible doens't make the other not responsible.

What I find the most telling of all is that I've repeatedly condemned Hamas for the horrible things it has done, and despite being asked repeatedly, you refuse to acknowledge Israel and the IDF have done anything wrong. That's called blind tribalism.

 

Yes, I've noticed you've started to condemn hamas. We can all and do condemn hamas when and where they do something wrong but in the heat of battle, emotionally charged decisions are sometimes made.

It's still revealing that no pro Israelis here have ever condemned the IDF. ibelieve that Israel has a serious policy of targeting Israelis that speak out against IDF. Just look at the Hannibal directive.

Clearly the government has absolutely no issue with killing their own ppl for political reasons. It is not a free society if this is the case. 130 journalists murdered by the IDF in 6 months. Wake up good ppl.

 

Israel controlled Gaza until they left in 2005. There was no abuse and killing of Gazans before 2005. Gazans enjoyed safety, security, and economic prosperity. All that changed when Israel left in 2005, Hamas took control via violent overthrow after winning the legislative branch in 2006, and began launching rockets at Israeli civilian neighborhoods in 2007.

20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs (2 million). They have the same rights as all Israeli citizens do.

The only way to bring peace back to Gaza is by Israel to eradicate Hamas from Gaza which will unfortunately result in loss of Gazan civilians as was the case in Germany and Japan in WWII.

Israel is defending itself. It has the right and responsibility to do so. Israel is doing nothing wrong.

 

absolute nonsense. Israel is killing innocent Israeli HOSTAGES!

 

If civilian human shields are killed it is the responsibility of those using the human shields (in this case Hamas).

 

Using human shields is a war crime.

 

Palestinians condemn Hamas for using human shields.

https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/palestinians-mock-hamas-for-using-kids-as-human-shields/

 

So you agree that IDF is responsible for killing Israelis in kibbutz beeri who were effectively human shields placed on the front line in Israel's war with palestine.