Idiots with guns, once again

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Ronstar, Sep 21, 2018.

  1. Vegas giants

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    Ok so you can not name a large city or country on the entire planet and VT and NH do not make the top ten for low gun deaths. Is that right?
     
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    You said...and I quote...."Name a large city, state or country that has lax gun laws and low gun deaths?"

    Both VT and NH have lax gun laws and low deaths. You didn't say anything about the low gun deaths having to be in the top ten.
     
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    But why are they not number one and number two? I thought lax gun laws lead to low gun deaths? Why are they beaten by at least ten states with strict gun laws?
     
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    Where did I ever make that claim?

    Which state beat them? Could you provide verifiable evidence?
     
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    No. You can compare them to Canada, Finland and Switzerland. All have high gun ownership
     
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    So which specific laws do those countries have that somehow prevent criminals from using guns to kill?
     
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    Many of the ones I listed
     
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    Such as? And you'll provide verifiable proof?
     
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    Lots of different places.
     
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    Then name some so we can discuss them
     
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    I need to show you what gun laws exist in those countries like they are state secrets only I have access to? This is what I mean. Only my side needs evidence
     
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    Um...earlier you asked me for verifiable evidence, to which I supplied. I guess I could have whined about having to supply YOU with evidence that isn't state secrets only I have access to...but I didn't. You asked and I complied because I believe in being held accountable for any claims I make and therefore expect others to do so.
     
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    In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit. Foreigners with citizenship to the following countries are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.[note 1] The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:

    • valid official identification or passport copy.
    • residence address.
    • criminal record copy not older than 3 months.
    For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (art. 11 WG/LArm):

    • Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component.
    • Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component.
    • Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer.
    • Type and number of the official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component.
    • and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.
    This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered (art. 9 WG/LArm).

    Some weapons do not need a weapon acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm):

    • Single-shot and multi-barreled hunting rifles and replicas of single-shot muzzle loaders.
    • Hand bolt-action rifles, which are commonly used in off-duty and sporting gunnery recognized by the military law of 3 February 1952 and shooting clubs for hunting purposes in Switzerland.
    • Single-shot rabbit slayer.
    • Compressed air and CO2 weapons that develop a muzzle energy of at least 7.5 joules, or their appearance may be mistaken for real firearms.
    Buying ammunition[edit]
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    Ready ammunition of the Swiss Army. Soldiers equipped with the Sig 550 assault rifle used to be issued 50 rounds of ammunition in a sealed can, to be opened only upon alert and for use while en route to join their unit. This practice was stopped in 2007.[10]
    In order to purchase ammunition, the buyer must follow the same legal rules that apply when buying guns. The buyer can only buy ammunition for guns that he/she legally owns and must provide the following information to the seller (art. 15, 16 WG/LArm; art. 24 WV/OArm):[2][1]

    • a passport or other valid official identification (the holder must be over 18 years of age and not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems. Further, they must not be a citizen of the following countries (art. 12 WV/OArm): Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania).
    • their residential address.
    • a copy of their criminal record or police check, not older than 3 months.
    • a weapon acquisition permit not older than 2 years, or a weapon carrying permit not older than 5 years.
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    A Swiss 100 gram black powder container.
    The possession of the following ammunition is generally prohibited:

    • Armor-piercing bullets.
    • Ammunition with projectile containing an explosive or incendiary device.
    • Ammunition with one or more projectiles releasing substances which damage the health of people in the long run, particularly those mentioned in annex 2 of the WV/OArm.
    • Ammunition, missiles and missile launchers for military explosive.
    • Ammunition with projectiles for transmitting electric shocks.
    • Ammunition for handguns which may cause deformations.

    Now tell me why VT and NH are not in the top ten for low gun deaths....with verifiable evidence
     
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    I have no idea why VT and NH isn't in the top ten. I never made the claim they should be in the top ten. I just made the claim both have low gun related deaths and much less gun control then other states., which they do. In fact, VT and NH, which are FAR less restrictive than MA regarding gun laws, have a lower gun death rate than MA.
    VT: 0.3
    NH: 0.4
    MA: 1.8
     
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    Now you are just making up numbers. Gun death rate is ALL GUN DEATHS. Here are the actual numbers. VT and NH is three times higher than most EU countries, Canada...etc. Why? (with verifiable evidence)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state


    MA has the lowest gun death rate in the nation
     
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    Not making anything up. I was looking at gun murders per 100K. Your number accounts for suicides. The real number is gun murders.
     
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    Gun control reduces suicides and accidental deaths too. The real number is GUN DEATHS
     
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    VT and NH is three times higher than most EU countries, Canada...etc. Why? (with verifiable evidence)
     
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    There is no verifiable proof of your claim
     
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    You have a question on the table
     
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    Canada's gun related murders are 0.61...which is higher than VT and NH
     
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    The question was in a separate post...relax
     
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    Sorry VT and NH have much higher gun deaths per capita. That is a fact
     

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