If Trump is not removed through Impeachment, will we lose in 2020?

Uhm who is using childish emojis me or you?

 

I'm laughing at the fact all you have is some BS picture and a ridculous notion that all liberals are just mad Hilary lost because the GOP gave you the talking points and never once did you even question it.

Pablum in, pablum out, that's what I see.

 

You laughing or crying?

 

I have no way of "quantifying' what the actual meddling was; circumstantial evidence can't do that, which is why it is so suspect. There is a LOT of it here though.

You agree with me there is no "Deep State" then?

 

You are aware that even if Trump is removed from Office all we get is President Pence, aren't you? We've certainly been rather painfully so, but it seems you labor under the belief that Hillary gets in if Trump is kicked out

 

Yes, I am aware of Pence. Can't say I don't like him but, like others (Romney, MCcain etc.) I am not sure he would be able to stand against establishment/globalist powers the way Trump has. Not sure that is in his "cards". I like what we're getting so we'll stick with it. As long as the press hates Trump, I know something is being done right!

 

~ Agreed .

 

Do you know people personally that voted for Trump because of Russians, Koreans, etc. and what specific things did these Russians do that caused them to vote for Trump? The reality is that Mrs. Bill Clinton was a weak candidate and the current Dem candidates are even weaker than Clinton.

 

I assume @Golem voted for trump due to intervention by the Russians. How could he resist?

 

Define "deep state" ? What is meant by this term ? - ask 5 people and get 5 different answers. Then there is the question of whether or not these forces were involved in Russiagate - which is a completely separate question.

My point was in respect to the big money interests that mess with our electoral process.

The idea that Putin has equal power to these interests - is like making a rain drop the equivalent of a hurricane.

 

That explains it. The psychology of regret. He regrets being duped by the Russians and voting for Trump.

 

Did you forget how much the MSM 'loved' Bill Clinton, then the sex 'scandal' was all over the MSM and he got impeached?

It's all theater.

The press (aka Ministry of Propaganda) is continuing to do what it was designed to do...divide the nation through rhetoric and propaganda in order to weaken unity, cast suspicions & create conflict within organizations, foment social confusion & instability, and keep the masses fixated on political theater & a dependency on leadership...all to strengthen the power of the ruling class/elites.

One side of the media promotes a 'love' for Trump, the other side promotes a 'hate' for Trump. Reason & logic is tossed out the window in favor of extreme views & fear-mongering.

If the ruling class/elites truly wanted Trump ousted, they would've done that long ago (even to resort to violence if necessary). The impeachment, though warranted, was pre-planned to act as an effective distraction, and serves also to further anger & divide the populace. But Trump is deliberately protected from being removed. He's a useful idiot, and necessary for whatever next step the elites have planned. Trump's in office because they wanted him in office (the reason why he was given so much positive media exposure during his campaign) because he serves an important purpose (at the moment) in the elite's ongoing globalist agenda. Trump is simple minded, greedy, morally bankrupt, holds to no principles...and is thus easy to sway with money/power/attention. He likely hasn't the slightest inkling he's being used by powerful, long established elites...but believes he's 'extra special'. He provides, among other things, a perfect scapegoat & distraction for the elites as they lay out the next stage in their globalist plan (perhaps an expanded Middle East conflict?). Trump is no more than a red herring just passing through.

 

I don't do 'talking points'...just facts & inferences based on those facts. I'm also a-political. I don't vote or support this or that candidate. Nor do I support the Constitution or this futile 'game' of governance, nor the fake politicians who are anything but 'representatives' of the people. The 'system' is one of enslavement, and was never designed to promote the independence, advancement, health & well-being of the individual...so there's no use in participating in its political process unless one's desire is to obtain a piece of the pie before it's all gone. The persistent presence of the 'dynamic duo' (government + money) throughout human history represents an ongoing scam & deception purpetrated on humankind...designed BY the ruling class FOR the ruling class to take & maintain possession of the planet.

There's only ONE solution: A breakaway civilization to resist the onslaught of Western & hegemonic expansionism. It's been tried to a greater or lesser degree by Gaddafi, Castro, Mossadeque & others, but the West would nip it in the bud before it could grow out of their control.

I just observe and discuss what I see. So don't get any weird ideas that I've got some kind of agenda. I do delve into 'details' for the sake of debate...but my view is really on the big picture...a concern for the welfare of the people, the planet's life forms, and its natural resources. Taking political sides is a fruitless & divisive endeavor on an endless merry go round. We won't solve anything by allowing either corrupted thinking or corrupt people to dictate our decisions. We, the MANY, need to stop enabling the FEW if we are to transform our planet back to the garden paradise it once was in pre-historic times...a time when advanced megalithic construction, interstellar/interdimensional travel, and anti-gravity & free-energy technology existed...a time when there was ongoing human-ET interaction.

 

I believe Democrats have one and only one path to the white house and that is impeachment. Other than Tulsi not a single one will have a chance.

 

You blew it right there. Simple minded men don't accomplish anything near what he has. Donald Trump is not my Pastor, but he has accomplished morefor America than Juan McCain or Mitt Romney, or any of the establishment Democrats ever could or would. I Remember Barrack Hussein Obama trying to sell American that the sluggish economy would be the "new normal". I remember him saying jobs gone from America were never coming back.

 

Like I've said before, Trump's a parasite. He's done nothing significantly positive for America or its people...unless, that is, you believe the nation should continue being run like a corporation with the President as its CEO du jour. Trump's been rewarding his campaign donors & enriching himself...and been doing so through debt, cheating, stealing, and lying. Among New York City developers he was known as a two-bit hustler & con man. But if you believe getting rich/richer is the means by which we help our nation, then I understand why Trump resonates with you. When a person becomes rich/richer...usually one thing happens: They become an even bigger consumer. This helps neither the nation, nor the planet.

And comparing Trump to Obama, Hillary, Biden, etc. doesn't mean anything to me. You're comparing one corporate shill to another. They're all the same...just that one is a moron to boot. I know Bernie won't ever be s-elected to office, but if he could you'd see some real progress and improvements made to the nation & its people (of course, at great disapproval from the corporations & the ultra-rich)...or at least he would try his hardest.

 

I think your right. Republicans goofed letting her know before hand what they were going to do. But I think they could petition the USSC to order her to hand it over or drop it. The President should be entitled to a fast trial like everyone else.

 

Before I discuss further with you....I will again point out that you believe this "simple minded man" has appointed more judges with shared principles than any of his predecessors and you can take that to the bank! Until you can make sense out of that statement, there is not much sense in giving credit to anything you say.

 

I believe Trump was doing quite well "getting richer" before he ever ran for the Presidency. In fact, he resonated with a lot of us because he did not rely on contributions from establishment donors in his initial run. Explain this.....how do professional politicians get extremely rich when they have supposedly done nothing in their lives other than to "serve the people"? God examples would be.....Nanci Pelosi, Juan McCain, Algore, Barrack Hussein Obama, (even Bernie Sanders owns three mansions), John Kerry, the list goes on and on! The establishment will make you rich without developing property or any entrepreneurial endeavor.....just follow their design! There are no Mother Teresa's in government!

 

~ Just imagine if these "public servants" had to go through the same scrutiny from the Mueller /Weissmann squad as Trump did ... ?! `

 

Reply to "yabberefugee" - Some write books. And some, after they retire, go on the "speaking/lecture circuit." Remember when Reagan was criticized for giving a speech in Japan for $1 million after he retired? And, some of course receive "tips" for investments by wealthy donors. Tougher campaign finance laws would reduce their sources of income. On Trump? The RNC should have vetted him more thoroughly...could have avoided a lot of hassle by a lot of people. Priebus was a key figure. He was scared to death Trump would pull a "Ross Perot," run as an independent on his own money and hand the election to another Clinton, as Perot did to Bill Clinton. IOW, Trump "bluffed" his way into the Presidency, due to an already severely weakened Republican Party.

 

~ In retrospect I believe Trump told the truth during his campaign and scared the -- out of the established political cartel we call "government". He took a chance and won. Now we see the aftermath of corruption being exposed for all to see - if they look.

 

Told the truth about what?

 

Hold the train!!!! Who would be left????

 

~ I am guessing about 15 - 20% of Congress.