If You Believe Homosexual Acts Are Immoral, Why Are You Labeled a "homophobe"?

Demanding that the government treat all it's citizens as equal is not in the least bit a social endorsement.

It is a continuation of the spirit this nation was founded on.

 

If I believe that Christianity is immoral, what does that make me? Besides reasonable?
Now I don't believe in restricting Christians from practicing their religions, but I believe they are hate cults, for the most part.
They hate real people, because an imaginary being told them to.....really?

 

This sneering tone of calling God an "imaginary being" is getting tiresome.

There is more evidence for God than life on other planets.

For that matter, there is more evidence for God than the Oort Cloud of our own solar system. Lots of very well educated scientists believe in both of those.

 

I did not write - "- but adults getting their knickers in a knot [sic] about someone else's private life?" as you have quoted it. There was no [sic], as I was not quoting someone else, and I did not underline 'private'. I think it is a breach of forum etiquette (if not regulations) to deliberately misquote another poster in order to change the sense. You have just seen Sec's misconduct corrected by the mods, yet you blatantly do something similar in the same thread?

As to the topic, if homosexual posters on this board introduced thread after thread professing their homosexuality, I would be tempted to ask why - but they do not. I have neither an interest, nor hold a brief for homosexuality - in fact I have admitted that I do not understand it. But my ignorance of any particular sexual orientation does not give me the right to sit in moral judgment upon it. It is however, not a problem or a concern of any sort to me.

It is a private matter between the consenting adults concerned, and I am at a loss to understand why it appears to be of such pressing concern to so many ostensibly heterosexual adults. I know of no currently extant civil law concerning homosexual orientation, other than the sundry Marriage Acts in various jurisdictions - which are slowly evolving. The fact that two women may wish to form a legal life-long commitment to each other, in no way precludes or affects my right as a male to form the same sort of commitment with a female.

Therefore, why should I be concerned about a matter that does not circumscribe my rights, nor affect me in any shape or form? And more importantly, what right have I to publicly denounce people whose sexual orientation, and whose form of emotional commitment, is different from mine?

 

Seems you can't follow what I said. That was the reaction of the body to sexual stimuli. That is genetic. But please explain what else could trigger that involuntary response by the body. Love to see that.

As far as the body is concerned yes.

You seem confused between the body's reaction and what humans do with that reaction. The reaction is the same, that is the genetic aspect of the argument. That doesn't mean humans choose to have heterosexual sex merely the body prepares itself for heterosexual sex which proves my point..

 

Oh I follow it well enough to see that it doesn't actually prove there is a heterosexually gene, nothing more than circumstantial evidence at best .. you know the type you like to dismiss when it doesn't adhere to your personal opinion.

Basically I am asking the same question asked by anti-gays about homosexuals, where is the scientific genetic proof a heterosexual gene.

 

I find the sneering tone of calling being a homosexual a 'lifestyle choice' very tiresome.

There is no evidence of God. There is some evidence which suggests that some percentage of homosexuals are born that way.

 

I'm not the least bit interested in your opinion of my conduct, so I suggest you do us both a favor and direct any concerns you have along those lines to those inclined to give ear to such pusillanimous grievances.

To be sure. Alas, any connection between that and anything I said is a complete mystery.

That's because you believe the world ends when you die.

Not when they make a public profession, it isn't.

Believe me, I'm plenty aware that as far as you're concerned, it's all about you.

There is no such thing.

For that matter, what right do you have to denounce pedophiles who insist on the right to copulate with consenting children? Hmmmm?

 

Then you can explain the first lady of New York City?

 

I find the sneering tone of calling being a homosexual a 'lifestyle choice' very tiresome.

There is no evidence of God. There is some evidence which suggests that some percentage of homosexuals are born that way.

 

Once again how do you explain the first lady of NYC?

And imitating another members post is a sign of argument being intellectually bankrupt.

 

really? It's nothing more than a belief about whether or not you were born homosexual. There is no medical test

Guess what, i look at the miracle of a newborn baby and thank God for it. I look at our friend who Drs cannot explain why she has survived cancer as longer as she has, and is in remission. So, you can shove your concept that a choice of how you engage in a sexual act is even close to faith.

 

Without reference to religion, upon what hypothesis do you base this opinion?

 

why would one who grounds themselves in faith, morality and values try and take a position not based on that?

 

I find the sneering tone of calling being a homosexual a 'lifestyle choice' very tiresome.

There is no evidence of God. There is some evidence which suggests that some percentage of homosexuals are born that way.

 

It's awesome that you feel that way and I would never try and convince you to think otherwise. Obviously, you have a reason to want to believe that about homosexuals and that's fine. And as to whether or not it offends you or that you grow tired, frankly, i could give a flip because on the flip side, I must see the constant posts about the fallacy of "born homosexual" vs the lifestyle choice which it is.

But, I won't make it a point to whine about it in posts. I simply chuckle every time I see it written.

 

It's awesome that you feel that way and I would never try and convince you to think otherwise. Obviously, you have a reason to want to believe that about homosexuals and that's fine. And as to whether or not it offends you or that you grow tired, frankly, i could give a flip because on the flip side, we all have to see the constant posts claiming that being attracted to someone of the same gender is a lifestyle choice- like choosing to be a Christian or Jew.

 

This is a political forum. We are debating politics, which boils down at it's simplest to what are societies rules going to be. We don't base our laws on any particular religion, in fact, it's against the rules to do that. So I wanted to hear a valid reason that such a standard should be held on society.

 

I can't get into it now in detail. Obviously adultery is bad because of the damage it does to the family. Premarital sexual relations are bad for a number of reasons which have nothing to do with religion that I don't wish to get into here. It is worthy of an entirely new thread.

 

What makes you 'believe' that homosexuality isn't 'fine'?

You OUGHT to care, because it affects human beings you live with on this planet. What? Are you somehow isolated/insulated from other people? (I don't think so.)

How do you know they are/aren't? Seems to me, that there are more aspects pertaining to gender/sexuality, than what shows up on the outside of one's body. So, what do you know?

You say that, but you really don't KNOW (prove) what you're talking about.

Many an ignorant person has walked off laughing at what they truly don't understand. That's nothing new.

 

Allow me ladies and gentlemen to summarize the exchange between johnnyc and me

sec- it's your OPINION vs MINE

johnny c- no, my OPINION is absolute

sec- I respect that you can have your OPINION, I disagree, but respect it. You cannot respect my right to an OPINION

johnny c- but I'm right

sec- there is absolutely no medical test to prove that one is born hetero or homosexual. If you insist that you were born homosexual, then please provide the link to the medical test. Now isn't that a respectful way to ask?

johnnyc- if you don't think that I was born homosexual then prove it

sec- HUH? did I not and do I not continue to post that neither of us has medical proof thus, OPINIONS

johnnyc- here, have an insult

 

... and, enjoy the dishonesty and obfuscation coming from sec, folks.

 

Why does this one thing that some people believe to be immoral spark such crying and whining from those that believe it to be immoral?

Is drunkenness, infidelity, materialism, pre marital sex, smoking of pot, gluttony, greed, vengeance, lust, hatred, arrogance, indifference, wrath, worshipping of false gods, lying, and disobeying your parents also immoral?

You guys raise a stink about homosexuality demand that gay people convert, deny us equality, and then cry when we label that behavior homophobia?

If people would just shut up about their stupid backward moral dictates, nobody would call you names.

I don't believe it's immoral, I think people that believe it's immoral should be allowed to believe such nonsense if they wish. I also believe that others can label them homophobic based on that behavior.

 

You are looking at this from a NO WIN position.

You can desire something to be so but that does not mean it is.

The reality is that some people are NEVER going to be able to respect Gay's now will such people EVER accept Gay Marriage etc.

The BEST you can hope for is Mutual Toleration.

And the ONLY way that Mutual Toleration to exist is for both sides to understand each side exists but see as little of each other as possible.

Case in point even though my state of Massachusetts allows Gay Marriage a while back Gay Rights Activists won a court battle that allowed them to march in the Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade which is the largest such parade in the WORLD.

Now the problem was really not about allowing Gay Irish People to march...it was about letting Gay Irish People to march under signs of Gay Rights and march dressed a certain way that parade organizers found intolerable.

And you know what...the parade organizers had a point as there were not any HETROSEXUAL AND PROUD OF IT IRISH CLUBS signs OR GROUPS IN THE PARADE.

Rather than to allow Gay's to march under Gay Irish....they cancelled the entire Parade which had NEVER happened before.

Do you have ANY idea how far Gay Rights were pushed back because of this?

AboveAlpha

 

Meh, we will be victorious. Hateful little bigots will be pushed into obscurity as has happened many times in our history. This is no different.

I am sure there will always be people that don't accept it and don't agree with it, but they will be pushed into obscurity.

What I really think your post is, is just more of the death rattle. You may win a battle or two but you have already lost the war.

You little insignificant people really believe gay people give a rat's behind about your acceptance of them?

There are enough people that already. accept us, we don't have to win you over, you however have to tolerate us.

That constitution can sure be a pain sometimes.