If You Want to Really Discuss Race and Sterling, Listen to This

Ladies and gentlemen, Bomani Jones.

The real stuff starts at 4:40.

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100% truthful, preacher status that no one wants to talk about.

 

What a joke! Where was Jones during the Duke Rape Case? Where was he during the Trayvon Martin hoody craze? Why would I listen to some one with a track record of racism himself concerning racism of others?

 

How is this a current event?

 

Right on que.

Cool, don't participate in the thread if you won't even bother to listen. You must listen to discuss. Thanks.

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I did and I stand by my statement. He doesn't what a real discussion about race nor it appears do you. Jones needs to look in the mirror before he whines about others ducking racism when he is a racist. Boy called Wolf.

 

Like I said, leave the thread if you won't listen to the content. You have nothing to contribute. The content is there to promote discussion, not to pick a side.

 

nevermind

 

I answered his question "Why didn't anyone do anything before this?". What more do you want commented on? His Racist BS that the white people moving away from minority comunities is what causes the ciminals to act up in those communities? To me it seems that all you really want is a one-sided comment about how bad US Society is.

 

The Donald Sterling case proves that the American people will not stand for racism by a tiny portion of the population. It proves how far we have come.

Also, the woman needs some prison for recording a private phone call like that... Sterling and her both are bottom dwellers.

 

Let me simplify for you. I don't know where you are from but the Northern United States is the most segregated region in the country by housing demographics. This is significant because in the 40s-60s, blacks left the Jim Crow South for opportunities in the North and were sectioned off into "black neighborhoods" in major cities of the North including but not limited to Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, and New York City. Look at the most segregated cities in the USA and they are all in the Rust Belt.

The significance of Donald Sterling is because his history of housing discrimination (including past lawsuit settlements CONFIRMING this, not opinion) against minorities is the silent problem that no one in this country has ever talked about. Housing discrimination creates artificial barriers to entry for a better life. "White Flight" is the notable term. White Flight killed Detroit. White Flight is the source for Chicago's gang violence. When income inequality is concentrated among black / white racial lines involving housing, there is a divide among property tax base which funds schools and public services to different ethnic groups. This is SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE Sterling is one of many wealthy white property owners who are guilty (and we have now have PROOF) of this same mentality when investing and renting real estate to protect the interest of white people at the expense of everyone else.

To ignore this silent overlooked variable in American History highlights your own ignorance, and the ignorance of many white folks (right-wingers AND Democrats are BOTH guilty) to issues that REALLY affect black neighborhoods. Neither party or political ideology gives a DAMN about fixing the problem. Why do we have so many damned freeways bypassing run down inner city neighborhoods on a path of expediency into downtown cores?

If this issue is too complex for you or too burdensome to understand, just admit that this country has racial problems that will never be fixed. Calling this eloquent insight "racist" is a lame ass cop out by someone too adverse to critical thinking and progress. Typical regressive mindset.

And stop blaming all the failed ideologies of BOTH parties on black people. To put it bluntly, it is a pile of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

The issue isn't new nor is it ignored nor has it been avioded. Since the Great Society and establishment of HUD these issues have been constantly brought forward and government attempts to fix this via Housing projects has done nothing but exacerbate the situation. Yet people like Jones finds himself trying to find some one to blame so he decided it is the fault of White Flight! (A term popular in the 1970's). One of the most controversial aspects which has been constantly been debated for decades is self segregation and yet you claim this is Silent? Or overlooked? it is an excuse for liberals and policies designed not to fix anything but promote wealt redistribution. Your not fooling anyone with your "pox on both parties" or faux outrage about the plight of these communities. The number one problem with lack of mobility is acceptance of status quo and lack of personal accountability. If this issue is too complex to follow let me know.

 

Redistribution is the only answer short of forced integration.

I'm not into the "force" solution of everything... so we should focus on improving schools that need to be improved.

My friend in Toronto said they instituted mixed housing in neighborhoods with positive effects on crime and social mobility. Maybe that approach works. We should also adopt stiffer penalties for crooks like Sterling that make a practice of housing discrimination.

 

Your friend is full of crap. I was in downtown Toronto just 3 weeks ago. It was like I had returned again to a third world country. Positive effects? Downtown looks like a slum complete with hippies and panhandlers. I will admit I don't particularly care for Canada and find Canadians tiresome in general. Finally there is no difference between taking away someone's property and telling them where to live. No one's rights are safe if others get to pick and choose winners and losers.

 

No, it just proves that the left is still ready to pounce on any white'ish (Sterling is a Jew) person who is willing to express any sentiment against minorities that is not complete adoration. If Sterling was black and said the same thing about whites, none of this would have happened. Snoop Dogg and Al Sharpton wouldn't have said a word. It would have been mentioned a few times on PF and disregarded by the PF leftists who are talking about this story constantly.

 

Whites make up 13% of my innercity neighborhood and the nearby high school is less than 5% white. Not sure how much more I need to sacrifice for the sake of equality.

Will we ever reach a point where we stop making excuses for blacks' failure to thrive?

 

I've never had that experience in downtown Toronto, and I go there about a dozen times per year.

Downtown Toronto is very wealthy.. as are a healthy amount of neighborhoods in the city. The wealth in Toronto is located within the city proper.

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Yea, when you stop finding ways to discriminate.

 

Do you keep your eyes closed? Additionally, why do you want to try something from Canada when it has repeatedly been tried in various cities in the US and failed? Canada isn't the US and the racial segregation issues in Toronto can be considered non-existant when compared to US cities such as Chicago, LA, or New York etc.

And are you really such a bigot to believe anyone who disagrees is "looking for ways to discriminate" and that some how justifies your politics?

 

All of the putative well-intended race-conditions-adjustment schemes attempted by Left over the course of the last fifty years have failed to one extent or the other because most of them are based on two iffy parts. The first consists of taking some portion of money, freedom, or opportunity from mostly low income Whites and transferring that portion over to Blacks (which are the people most often the object of leftwing focus in this nation) while the second usually consists of just tossing money, time, and resources into the streets in hope that some of it will somehow do some good; but it almost never does.

So why does the Left continue along these lines? The well-meaning ones have to do that or finally face reality that after countless opportunities sent their way and God only knows how much money and time and resources invested, the bulk of the targeted Blacks utterly REFUSE to change their self-destructive habits in numbers sufficient to significantly alter the way that established communities live.

So our Leftwingers continue to double and triple and quadruple down under the theory that ALL THAT'S needed is to take MORE from poor Whites while giving more and ever more to Blacks, who just won't do anything particularly meaningful or helpful with the help already given to them over the course of five decades. So admit to reality or dig the hole a lot deeper? The left is determined to dig deeper because after all . . . it's just taxpayer's funds.

 

My politics are not a belief. My politics are life.

I am a black man in America. I don't have to prove anything regarding racism to you. You are incapable of understanding.

 

How do you know that this is not -- for instance -- a Black Canadian or an indigenous population Canadian? You invited -- nay, you DEMANDED -- debate and now that it's not going according to PC lines you pull the "You're not Black and so you cannot possibly understand," bull-feces stuff? Sweet!

 

Well then help us understand. Please explain in detail how "White flight" has impacted you. Also you made the claim that street violence in Chicago is because of "White flight" please explain how "white flight" causes kids to kill kids because they are on the wrong street or they are wearing the wrong color.

 

You will never be able to have a conversation with some people because they have become too comfortable with their own rascist attitudes to look at things with an open mind and see the opportunites which exist. Unfortuneatly this is taught across the nation and even fostered by the US government which teaches that if you are a minority you can't be racist.

 

I didn't hear anything about some personal responsibility coming from the black community in Chicago. I also didn't hear any mention of the first American black president who is NOT going in to those communities; not using his influence and making a change in those communities a focus of his. Sounds like he's content with playing the victim. I'm betting that if this guy has any money, he also has moved out of those dangerous neighborhoods with failing schools to have a better life for HIS family....the very thing he blasts whites for doing. Obama did. Obama and Michelle bought a nice home in an upper-income level neighborhood. That's anyone would the means to get out would do. It's not just whites doing it. So he shouldn't be making that a racial issue.

 

The area where my grandfather grew up and opened his business in was a thriving middle class neighborhood, mostly populated by Italians and Irish. Today, the place is a (*)(*)(*)(*) hole and populated almost exclusively by African Americans. It's basically a perfect example of the situations you are referring to. White people rarely go there, they just see it at 75mph on their way into the city.

Now, one group argues that the chain of events went... Blacks moved in -> neighborhood started to go to (*)(*)(*)(*) -> Whites moved out. Another group argues the events were more like... Blacks moved in -> Whites moved out -> neighborhood went to (*)(*)(*)(*). I have yet to see one side convince the other side who is right. But, as Hilary would say, what difference at this point does it make? NONE

As a Black man, you need to realize that there is no one else, no policy, no nothing that can change the circumstances your neighborhoods find themselves in. Only the people of those communities can change their future. There just isn't some magic fix it bill, law, program, or policy. Discrimination is illegal in this country now. That is the best that is going to be done. No one is going to be compensated for past injustices. Move on or get left behind is a tough reality, but it is the reality. Black people are going to have to turn their neighborhoods into low crime thriving neighborhoods, or move to a better neighborhood.

 

It might be too complicated for you.

My parents had good careers and MOVED ME out of the Inner City. Inner city schools in the rust belt have worse schools for several obvious reasons.

White Flight is moving away from black people and taking the property tax revenue with them. Property taxes fund schools. When the schools are nothing more than glorified hellhole day cares you get kids killing kids. It isn't rocket science.

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You don't know a damn thing about racism.

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The personal responsibility bull(*)(*)(*)(*) never worked. Everything the Republicrats have taught you in the last 30 years is dead wrong. That is the problem with our country.

Of course everyone moves out. Don't you get it? Moving out doesn't solve the problem. That's why we have urban farms and unleashed animals in Detroit. Moving away is running away. People with money to fix these areas don't give a damn about them. That is America's problem. Me me me me me me me me me me me me me me.