I'm gay, and I hate gay marriage...

The Republicans hate gay marriage so they want to ban it, the Democrats love gay marriage so they want to guarantee it.
Am I the only one with the following opinion,
Why is the government involved in my love life in the first place?
Why should the government care who you love, who you have sex with, and who you have a child with?
Can't we all just keep our love lifes to our self instead of trying to force our views on others?
Just get rid of all government recognized marriages and let people figure out who they want to marry for themselves.

 

Government began getting involved because it means money for them, and is another source of tax revenue.

And people wanted this so called "traditional" marriage protected.

But I've got news for those people.

The Bible has plenty of non traditional marriages in it.

Abraham's wife Sarah got him a concubine to have a son so they can keep the land they owned, according to Hebrew law.

 

I still have no idea how it is any of my buisness who marries who.

 

Better you should ask how it is any of your business that <5% of the population insists on marriage being legally redefined to cater to their vanity.

 

Why? What do I care? Personally as a Christian I belive it is a sin. That make it them and Gods buisness. As an American it is none of my buisness either. How is it going to effect you if a couple of gay guys gets married?

 

The gov is doing just what you say they shouldn't do. It isn't the government that is fighting against homosexual marriages, they support people marrying who they choose to marry. Using your logic there should be no marriage at all

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Did you marry out of vanity? That is an interesting projection. I married because I wanted to commit to one person whom I loved and I also received many advantages to this union. What does this have to do with vanity?

 

The vanity comes from people who think that only they can be right and they have the monopoly on morality and that it's okay to force that morality on to everybody else using any dirty rotten trick they can think of.

How is thinking you have the monopoly on morality not vanity?

 

Actually married people,get tax breaks

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Sounds to me like you are the one who has the monopoly on morality. To me it is vanity to believe that only people like yourself have the right to marry.I am trying to figure out where you have this idea that gay people think only they can be right

 

Since you obviously don't care, you are again asking the wrong question. You should care, if for no other reason that by your acquiescence you assent to societal endorsement of abject lunacy.

Then the law of the land is none of your business either. Have I got that about right?

Again, that's the wrong question, especially bearing in mind that countenancing "SSM" implicitly countenances the rearing of children under homosexual unions.

No doubt this is an absolutely brilliant response to something I never said, so thanks for nothing.

 

Treating people equally under the law is not lunacy. Legal endorsement of abject bigotry, on the other hand, is.

Yes. You cannot use your religion to deny others individual and constitutional rights. I cannot deprive a black man of his right to life by stabbing him in the back and them claiming "my religion" says black people are meant to be killed so I can do what I want.

It is not the wrong question, but you have no answer to it.

 

It's called freedom and equality.

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It's called freedom and equality.

 

Last I checked the majority of Americans supported the "redefinition" of legal marriage, not less than 5%. And if you think it is all about vanity you are totally clueless. Open you eyes, man.

 

So you're against government by the consent of the governed. Nice of you to make it plain that talking to you is a complete waste of time.

Now do me a big favor and get lost.

 

So you do understand what the moral majority of the Christian right has been trying to claim for decades, that hey alone have a monopoly on morality.

 

You do it too. And that's what i'm rallying against, and why I oppose BOTH you and Christian.

That's the difference between me and you guys. I do not practice selective morality or tolerance just because I hate a certain kind of people.

Now, what I fight against is hypocrisy and tyranny and stupidity in all it's forms.

And to me, anyone claiming the monopoly on morality is sheer idiocy.

Because they ALWAYS want to impose their morality on to others using any dirty rotten trick they can think of, and don't give a flying fig whom they hurt in the process.

It doesn't matter what reasons or justifications they use. It's all the same thing. I can not see any difference between you and them.

Because you both demand people obey you, and when you don't get you way you guys start hurting people any way you can.

Furthermore, you can't see what you do. You always try to hide it with all kinds of smoke screens so people can not have any kind of open and honest discussion with you.

Because you want to be right, and you want to be in control. And I think that you really, truly do understand how you guys sound to reasonable and intelligent people, but that doesn't matter. It's all about power and control. You crave it.

And you have such a limited way of thinking. Your way of thinking is if a person opposed us then they must be a conservative, and therefore must be a hateful bigot, because liberals can not be because of your claim of moral superiority.

When you guys learn that it'sw wrong to impose your morality on to people like you do, and when you learn that it's not okay to hurt people in doing it, then maybe there can be a future of real family that respects and cares for each other.

Instead, all you people want to do is yell abd scream and hurt people who aren't like you.

Just like the people you yell and scream at the most.

There is no difference between you guys and them.

And I want a better society where none of this hypocrisy happens.

 

Hey I can move with that. I try to stay to the middle on most things.

What you have to understand is that I've been told I'm scum for the majority of my life by certain people simple because I love someone they ink I shouldn't.

So I don't tend to respond with understanding on that issue. I've learned it mostly bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Then you and I have something in common.

I get insulted and berated a lot too because I have different ways of looking at things than most people.

And I think for myself and don't go along with the crowd just because.

And I am also a very facetious individual.

 

But is that not itself a form of morality? Aren't you also imposing your morality on others by demanding that they not do this thing which you find morally wrong?

 

Government don't care who you love (but what does love have to do with marriage ), they have some interest in who you have sex with in relation to public health and protection of children and other vulnerable citizens and they have some interest in who you have children with in as much as what happens after that, for similar social reasons.

Regarding marriage specifically, the government has some interest in the social and economic structures citizens live within given how much that will impact the wider social and economic structures of the nation that it is their job to manage. You can make an argument against government recognition of marriage (though you've not done that yet) but I don't think you can say the government has no legitimate interests in this area at all.

You can. Nobody is forcing you to get married whether you're gay or straight. If anything you're the one forcing a view, suggesting everybody should be forced not to have government recognised marriage.

 

Don't forget Jacob (Israel) He married two of his first cousins, then two of their servants.

I think betty bowers explains it very well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFkeKKszXTw

 

Gay couples want the government to recognize same sex marriage so they can receive the same benefits straight couples have. A valid argument.

 

What kind of fool confuses marriage and love life?

 

No, government is involved in marriage because children from married families outperform children from single mothers in literally every measurable way. The day that a government stops promoting married child bearing and raising is the day they fundamentally become our enemy. It's sad that gay marriage is being used to trick people into accepting this state of affairs.

 

Oh, so you're a only a man and a woman can be married kind a of guy? And I suppose you're religious, right?

 

Marriage laws aren't about involving the government in the relationship between you and the person you've chosen to live one life with. It's the opposite.

We've already granted the government the right to intrude in our relationships. They can subpoena someone we confide in to demand testimony about our confidences. Government inspects and taxes transactions between folks. It requires us to provide annual accountings every year and demonstrations of anything we think should be excluded from that oversight and intrusion. It requires us to register and individually claim responsibility and ownership of property, debts, and investments.

Marriage is a certification that two people are living one life. It includes an acknowledgement from the government that the marriage is one relationship government won't intrude into. A promise that, as best it can, it will treat those two individuals as one couple, living one life.




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