In Eternity, Heaven or Earth, Where ever it will be. Will we remember?

I am under the impression that when we reach eternal paradise we won't know if any of our relatives have made it. As we won't remember them.

Is that true?

If we don't remember our relatives, will we remember ourselves?

If not, how will we know we are there?

 

In a sense, yes.

you are them, right now, alive and in the flesh.

Cell-division and procreation are the proof. Meaning, every parent/grand parent, was a baby of a previous person. That mean, from now back to the days of moses, all of us have a relative, directly of procreation, to them days. Some of us could have bloodlines to the last supper, just as said' and now you can actually see how it is possible, in fact

what you do, that lives longer is energy that you impose to exist, by choice, in honor of thy mother and father or not.

good (actions a life can impose to exist): support life to continue

bad: loss to the common

you're there NOW!

It is that very time, that while awake to know that you even exist, you can cause life, by choice and know it.

Each nite that you are sleeping, you have no idea; same as that death.

 

The basic problem is this.....how do the Saved "enjoy" Heaven, knowing their Unsaved friends, family, children or spouses are in Hell?

There's no "good answer" forthcoming from the Believers in traditional Heaven and Hell. Either it's "You'll have perfect understanding and thus will 'understand' why your loved ones must suffer eternal torment.".....OR "God will wipe them from your memory"

Neither really work. 1. How can one POSSIBLY "understand" that the people they love must suffer for all eternity??? 2. If God "wipes your memory" of those you've known and loved for a life-time....then you have NOTHING of your previous life and thus negates the entire need for an Earthly life....so? Why not simply put the "Good Souls" in Heaven from the start and skip the whole being-born-on-Earth thing?

Plus, what if it was an Unsaved loved one that "led" the Saved person to "come to Christ"? So there they are in Heaven and a fellow resident asks them "So, that's how I came to God....how did YOU come to God?" And the Amnesiac has to say "Uh...I don't remember"????

 

Questions such as these illustrate how difficult it is to create a cohesive religious fairy tale that will withstand serious scrutiny. It's like when people got to questioning the two versions of Jesus' genealogy. There was no adequate answer. So in Titus 3:8-11 (MSG) there's this little gem = I want you to put your foot down. Take a firm stand on these matters so that those who have put their trust in God will concentrate on the essentials that are good for everyone. Stay away from mindless, pointless quarreling over genealogies and fine print in the law code. That gets you nowhere. Warn a quarrelsome person once or twice, but then be done with him. It’s obvious that such a person is out of line, rebellious against God. By persisting in divisiveness he cuts himself off.

Then in Hebrews chapter 7 they threw in the part about Jesus being a priest of Melchizedek. Of course when you read that chapter you see immediately that it's all a load of crap. They were so eager to cover one lie that they blew both of their legs off with a bigger lie.

Can you spot their lie?

 

First, we don't know....but he's what I think...

I think the sort of awareness we have in eternity is different. I think we will remember, but there will be an enlightened perspective. I believe we will recognize the communion of all peoples, not just the ones who are important to us individually in this life. So, although we will remember this life--the good and the bad--our awareness will be not exactly objective, but rather enlightened and we will see things as they really are. This is something beyond our ability to even imagine adequately. "Eye has not seen, ear has not heard..."

 

. I believe our eternal awareness will recognize Divine Justice. We will be enlightened to the complete perfection of all that is in God's creation and the Perfection of God. In my religion, Catholicism, it is called the Beatific Vision.

 

who cares?

 

I'm not sure what you're going on about here, but if you like an explanation of Paul's reference to Melchizedek in Hebrews, I'd be happy to give you one.

 

Sounds like something to squash conscience. IF I got to heaven, I'd be tortured
with guilt that I had not done enough to save those who didnt make it.

 

Why would you feel guilty? You would also recognize the Perfection of all that is--including how your actions contributed to that perfection. See, also in my religion, we recognize that there is a purgation of temporal attachments prior to the Beatific Vision. That's what Purgatory is.

 

Why? Because I'm human.

The events you describe are not in the bible. Not that I'd believe it if it were;but it sounds like after thoughts to me.

 

. Humans were made in perfection without anything to be guilty about. When we are redeemed to our original being, there's nothing to feel guilty about.

If you are referring to the existence of Purgatory, there is indeed Biblical evidence for such a state, but if you're not interested....well... Then you're not interested.

 

That would be nice.

 

One wonders why you spend time on the religion forum, then.

 

The first priest mentioned in the Bible was not of the tribe of Levi (the Hebrew priestly tribe), he was the king of Salem and there is some evidence that he was perhaps the son of Noah.
GEN 14
[18] And Mel-chiz'edek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was priest of God Most High.
[19] And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
maker of heaven and earth;
[20] and blessed be God Most High,
who has delivered your enemies into your hand!"

Melchizedek is called the priest of God Most High, the king of Salem (meaning peace), and offers bread and wine, rather than a burnt offering as would be expected.

Paul discusses the Hebrew teachings and uses a method refered to as "typology." Paul specifically refers to that method in Romans 5.
ROMANS 5
[14] Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

So...with that known, it is important to see The Order of Melchizedek as referencing a king of Peace, offering bread and wine as an oblation not just for one group of peoples (the Hebrews), but for all (since he was an "outsider" who grafted in Abraham and his people). Melchizedek is a " type" for Jesus and prefiguring the Eucharistic offering. Paul is explaining to the Jesus-believing Jews how the Salvation of Gentiles has always been a part of the plan of God--those whom the Jews believed were not of the Covenant. Paul explains the Covenent of Jesus supercedes the Covenant of the Law.

 

Thanks for the explanation. However, it seems illogical.

Abraham was on his way home after returning from one of his murderous raids. He was loaded with loot. The local bigwig came out to see what Abraham was packing. So Abraham forked over 10% of his ill gotten gains.

In exchange the local bigwig offered refreshments and told Abraham what a swell guy he was. It also stopped the local bigwig from getting into a ruckus with Abraham since Abraham had paid him the toll.

The local bigwig sends Abraham on his way since he got his 10% fee. Abraham returns home and continues his evil ways.

Time passes. Eventually a group of Abraham's grandsons and their daddy end up in Egypt. Then 430 years later Moses pops up. He and his brother Aaron start a religious racket. Aaron's group, the Levites, get rich forcing people to join their cult. This continues for hundreds of years.

Then Paul pops up on the scene. Besides being a jack of all trades he's also a religious fanatic. So he concocts a tale about a guy named Jesus who's God son that died on the cross and was resurrected. He goes on the road selling this story. But he doesn't provide any of the human interest elements about his character.

Later on Paul's disciples fill in the blanks from what Paul told them. Then the Romans get ticked off at the various bad actors in the region and decide to do what Romans did best. So they killed about a million of the locals and destroyed Judea and Jerusalem. The accounts written by Paul's disciples included various elements from some of the rebel leaders. They also included conflicting genealogies about the Jesus character. So the solution was to tell people not to argue over it and ignore the discrepancies.

Paul then reached back into time and compared his Jesus character to the local bigwig that Abraham had encountered countless centuries ago. The problem is that the local bigwig had zero religion when he met Abraham. He was simply described as a high priest of God. But Abraham spent the rest of his life not doing anything religious, except for cutting off boys and men's foreskins and trying to roast Isaac.

The local bigwig's religion had zero influence on Abraham's line until Paul pulled it out of his hat. There's zero mention of the local bigwig having anything to do with Jewish religion except a sentence in Psalm.

 

Are you expecting a holy text, or a history book?

 

We'd sort of think a "holy"book would make some sense, and not contain so many falsehoods. It reads like what it is, a collection of divers myths.

 

Well, have a very blessed Christmas anyway.

 

The blurb about Mel-chiz'edek doesn't make sense in either kind of book. He had zero interaction with Abraham after Abraham forked over 10% of his ill gotten loot.

 

It does typologically. Even Jesus referenced typological reading of OT Scriptures.

John.3
[14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typology_(theology)




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What is the formation for this thought?
Passages that support your claim?

 

I am interested as I also believe there is not existance of purgatory in the bible. It is one of the reasons for protestants.
And you refer to it as a state, not a place?

 

I sourced one....

1Cor.2

[9] But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
nor the heart of man conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love him,"

But also...i believe in the communion of saints and intercesory prayer, also evidenced Biblically, and that would mean that heavenly occupants have an awareness of our burdens here.

Basically, communion is a bond of unity among believers, and we are part of God's family (1Tim 3:15)
[15] if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
We are children of God and Joint heirs with Christ:
Romans 8:17
[14] For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
[15] For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the spirit of sonship. When we cry, "Abba! Father!"
[16] it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
[17] and if children, then heirs, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.

AND we partake in the Divine Nature of God through this adoption.
2Pet 1:4
[3]His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,
[4] by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.


Because of this, it is clear that the Communion of Saints (that is all Christians, living and dead, called the Mystical Body of Christ by Catholics) can intercede on behalf of one another.

All Christians are members of Christ's body...Rom 12:5 and elsewhere
[4] For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function,
[5] so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.

Jesus has only one body...Eph 4:4-7
[4] There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call,
[5] one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
[6] one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.
[7] But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ's gift.

AND...
Death cannot separate us from Christ's body...Rom 8:35-39
[35] Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
[36] As it is written, "For thy sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered."
[37] No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.
[38] For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
[39] nor height, nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Therefore, as one in body with Christ, unable to be separated even by death, I believe our heavenly members of the Mystical Body of Christ have awareness of the earthly members of the Mystical Body of Christ.