In UK, overall mortality is around normal. Something doesn't add up

It's the same money but just from a different source!

LOL Your NHS link states Page last reviewed: 7 February 2020 which is before the pandemic

 

Really don't know what you're getting at here.

So you think that things have become so much better since then ?

 

LOL I don't doubt that you don't understand it

 

The question is, do you?

 

I am none of the above, but I sympathize with those who think the Covid lockdowns have been disproportionate, the cure being worse, at least for them, in terms of their mental health and their income, than (or at least "as bad as") the disease. But they can't say so without being lumped in with Qanon, anti-vaxxers, and climate deniers.

So yes, I have noticed the commonality you mention. I have also noticed that the people quickest to dismiss their concerns as quackery have plenty of savings and no need to leave the house.

 

Not me, I'm flat broke. My location catering business has had no work in a year. The pub I took a job in has been shut for most of the last 10 months.

 

I'm sorry.

This gives you standing to question the proportionality of business closures -- not the rationale, of course, but the proportionality.

But be careful; if you say one word to question any aspect of or the length of the closure of that pub, someone somewhere will claim that you think that Covid is a hoax.

 

Honestly, I thought it took them too long to shut us down the first time and thought it was really stupid to open up late November to Christmas. Most of our customers are over 60 and some are really quite elderly.
The customers did not stick to the rules and recommendations.
Luckily it is very rural in a low cases region of the UK.
We had so few customers when we were open that we lost money nearly every time.
This is what people forget, no one wants to go out in the middle of a pandemic except the young and the stupid.

 

Well, don't forget the desperate; some who decide to "go out" are suffering anxiety and depression from an extended lockdown. It's a dilemma. If they are young and decide to risk it, I'm okay with it if they take reasonable precautions. The alternative is to bankrupt every pub/bar in the world.

 

Or insist that governments support businesses in trouble.

Loneliness is no excuse for failing to social distance. Everybody has a phone these days.

 

less people die when they are staying safe in their homes, from all causes

 

Who think they are invincible. Meanwhile here, we have found that a local 3 week shutdown is effective in containing our isolated cases. But then we do have so few we are able to tack outbreaks by testing the sewerage. That gives some false positives but seems to work as a early alarm bell - further testing has tracked down positive people.

 

Well, the question is, how much to support local businesses. And for how long?

Do you believe that we can distance socially without leaving the house?

I think the cat's out of the bag and there's no stopping it. Alabama won the national championship and the students went nuts (and maskless) in the streets, about 5000 of them.

 

For me, the question is how long are people going to prolong this by not social distancing?

 

I think the answer to that question is, "for as long as it takes for everyone to get infected and/or vaccinated," and my best guess is that it will be at least another 18 months. I'm not happy about it either.

 

That is not true. And it is not fresh air, it is stale government propaganda.

 

Of course. Covid is far far more contagious than flu so there are more deaths. The death RATE of covid is actually a bit below that of seasonal flu. The information is readily available on the internet. I found it. You should be able to find it as well.

 

As I have said before on these forums - I work as a cook in a care/residential home. the past 2 weeks we have been in lockdown as 20+ of our residents
tested positive. I have taken a swab test twice a week and glad it has always come back negative. not one of the 90+ old folks have passed, and now
are happy to leave their rooms and meet again in dining and living rooms.

I would never belittle people dying from anything. but, I do pause and wonder if the whole covid dilemma hasn't been overblown?

But I cannot see what agenda anyone would have to destroy economies around the world

And I agree with the OP - the rare times I end up watching the television - lots of covid death... but seems flu has taken a break this year

 

This indicates that generizations about covid transmissibility and virulence are dangerous. We may never get to the bottom of why some get it, some do not, some who get it remain asymptomatic, some die, etc.

Since people's work and mental health are as important as staying alive, we should reopen and continue taking reasonable precautions.

I will decide what is "reasonable". 'Cause I'm the Chef.

 

I don't think so.

Facts say otherwise.



In 2018, 34,000 UKers died from the common cold and that was an exceptionally hard year.

UK health: A record number of cold-related deaths are 'AVOIDABLE' | Express.co.uk

If you are good at math, you can see that 34,000 is considerably less than 106,000.

End. Of. Story.

 

True enough. After all, opinions are the right of every person. You folks feel free to mock or express disgust, no harm, no foul. What we seem to be seeing today goes beyond that right. There's an inchoate core of anger that looks to be spinning into a plan for removing the rights of those you perceive as "less" or even as a threat where no real threat exists. The UK is , of course, YOUR concern. What we are watching in the U.S. since Biden took the office is far worse and only seems to be worsening by the day. It really is a fool's game.

 

Elections have consequences, who knew?

 

Obvious to anyone who would just think about it for a second!

 

Ok, everything is clear now. You should have started there.

 

I wonder now; would they possibly be Trump cultists as well?