Indecent Wealth and Francois the new French leader

That's better.

 

- I try alexa, I try.....

 

Alexa .
This is not the best place for a Scottish woman with a useless memory .
Here , we do not do " Ifs" and we do not do people who even question their own memory .
We do not doubt that Diuretic has some class ( somebody has always got to fill bottom place ) but the question should be whether he matches my modest rank of Exalted .

 

It was this post which inspired my comment

 

You means he sits at the same table as moi?
I looked , but you seem to have been refused access .
Move , change your accent and cut out the booze and cigs.
Then try again .


How quaint and provincial . If you type in the word F*gs , it rejects it . Is it an anti homophobic device in the eyes of C.Ensor ?

 

Well for a start what you said was inaccurate and then it was as you knew it was 'snobbish', sort of inverted snobbery back to front.

That is what showed you had no class.

That your tittle tattle was then with Dieuretic was some kind of irony because he does indeed have class - but of course I would not have used that word if it had not been for the way you spoke in previous post.

 

if Socialists are uncomfortable out of their class --- and they invariably are --- that is their problem.
We regard choosing the best as common sense . That you choose to complicate choice is , again , your problem .

And anybody calling their selves , Urine Enhancer , has zero class .

 

They all evade/avoid tax, wherever they alight temporarily for the maximum profit and minimum period of residence required to facilitate that. I am surprise France allows it, as the people are usually quick enough to stand up. Or have they become sheep, as in other "liberated" countries.

If the political leader can't change the system, who can?

Wtfru on about now? Honestly, do you ever read what you write before subjecting the rest of us to it? The world is full of succesful socialists who don't give a flying fig about a defunct class system or walking with the dinosaurs. It is, however, one more very good reason to get rid of England and its fondness for stupid snobbery and jobs for the boys.

The beast, or the best. Another interesting thread derailed by off topic drivel.

 

And in turn , your betters point to this sort of drivel as the difference between the sheep and goats .
Your compatriot introduced the idea of Class and what she thought was its link to snobbery .Not me . But since she did :--
All groups , tribes , societies produce pecking orders which later evolve into Class differences . They are energy and direction and are only replaced when tilting moments are occasionally reached and where major change is needed -- for evolutionary reasons .
As with everything , there are good and bad applications and class and "snobbery" fit this universal rule .
As for , Jobs for the Boys . it is the only pragmatic way a driving force retains power .
The trick is to make sure that the long term strategy and objectives are never debased by abuses of power and privilege .
The hardest job of all .

 

Not "enhancer" - "taker"....

I have absolutely no class...no shame either!

 

LMAO

How the hell do you people get up in the morning and go to work?

I read all this hatred for the bourgeiosie and I'm just flabbergasted.

How do you people get up and go to work every morning without being an angry miserable son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)?

I know if I woke up every morning and thought "oh (*)(*)(*)(*), I have to get up and go slave for that bastard fat cat who exploits me every day for his own gain".. I'd be angry and pissed off and never live a happy life at all.

It just amazes me how someone can be such a fascist economic bigot and live within a capitalist system.

We have our share here in America, but (*)(*)(*)(*) most of us get up and go to work and are happy.

It must be a miserable existence to be a proletariat loser.

 

Some fish? We'll see...

 

No no no and no.

It is because of the rich guy that the worker has a job in the first place.

In fact, it is the worker that gets rich by skimming of the employer. All those products could be manufactured in China with 1/10 of the cost.

 

Oh man, we see it all the time in their signs.

"A job is a Human Right."

I say that it is a privilege to grateful for that one is working.

They just don't understand that something you have to coerce out of someone else cannot in any way be a "Human Right"

 

Really?

How does a rich person become rich without workers?

 

I don't know who indoctrinated you. Sounds like you are one of the people treating others as slaves and being 'coerced' into giving them 'human rights'. Possibly is because in order to exploit and take from people a person has already lost their humanity. Where people do not act in a manner which respects the dignity of human beings then yes, they will have the need to engage in human rights coerced on them.

http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/wtw/sources/themes/factoryconditions.html

The coercion that forces you to engage in human rights is a very small step in the direction of stopping you using your fellow human being as chattel.

 

Buddy if I give you a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing paycheck and you get to go home after your shift is done and do WTF you want and I have no say or control over it in any way shape or form. Then that is called Free labor.. not slavery.

You insult the people who actually were and are slaves today in the world.

There is no such thing as slavery in the Western World in regards to employment.

All labor given freely is not slave labor and if you choose not to give any labor at all, that is a character flaw. You deserve what the lowest common denominator pay in a fully globalized market will take and not a penny more.

Anyone ever tried to call me a corporate slave I'd punch them square in the jaw for a grave insult. As we say in America "thems fightin words"

I give my labor freely and without reservation and in return I recieve a fair market value for my pay. I can ask no more from anyone.

 

It's good that people can sell their labour instead of having it forcibly taken from them isn't it?

 

Yes. But for some reason people have this odd notion that their labor is worth more than someone is willing to pay.

If I own a house, to me it may be worth 100k but if no one is willing to pay that much and the msot I can get offered to buy it is 75k, then my house really is worth only 75k regardless of how I feel about it.

Labor is no different.

 

Have a look at this and come back when you have a bit more idea of what is going on.

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I agree with you. There's no intrinsic worth in human labour. I'm leaving aside for a moment the considerations of human "dignity" (personally I think that's a bit species-selfish anyway) and the idea that labour is enobling. In reality labour is what humans do in order to stay alive.

In a modern capitalist economy though labour has a value and that value, as you have pointed out, is determined by the market. And at the risk of over-simplifying the argument, market value is determined by the twin processes of supply and demand. Labour value is subject to the same processes as wheat or gold.

In a capitalist economy the means of production is owned by private persons. Labour is part of the means of production. The owner of labour will try to get as much as possible value for that labour at as low a price as possible. If two businesses are in direct opposition to one another and, all other things being equal, one business can buy its necessary labour at a cheaper price than the other then the first business is going to be in a better position than the second business.

 

Scottish people and English people are different. Ray and Fred can't grasp this basic truth, it is normally an undeniable basic truth but Ray and Fred insist on denying it as do you. The reality escapes them and they may really believe we are unreasonable or radical, totally overlooking that we are usual and uniform, as most Scots are socialist.

We are not unusual in our views here, any more than selfish rabid righties are ten a penny in US and snobby Tory (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) are common in England (did you hear that Ray, you're common now, o the shame).

Left to their own devices, what do most English people lean to? Not socialism. It wouldn't be the same as Scots.

Which is why we have lost interest in the Union. No amount of blathering and condescending insults from Ray can change that, it is fact and has been since the 1980s and increasing with every election.

We are different. Our cultures are different. We want different things and we want different political Parties in Government. There is no point in trying to sweep that under the carpet any longer.

As to capitalism, Google the Scottish philanthropists who created the concept, do the aims of that system match yours? (you're doing it wrong, it's supposed to improve conditions for everyone, not just you and yours)

On your personal insults, if they are directed at me, I would like you to evidence them. Or is it just your intention to breeze in, throw a few pointless random unsubstantiated declarations about and wander back out leaving it anyone's guess what you're on about...

 

OI
You up there
Why am I being dragged into your blog?
I have been consistent throughout . I have said ,
"If they choose Independence , that's great by me . If they are scared to stand on their own two feet , we will look after them , as long as they pay their way and their round when it is their turn ."
Privately I think they would be smart to work closely with their betters . A touch of class and sophistication goes a long way , whether you approve or not .
They need a make over .
A simple question and a simple answer .
Condescending?
Sure . But but I don't treat my dog as an equal . Why change a good habit?
rofl .

 

The only good thing I ever saw come out of Scotland was the movie "Trainspotting" and we all know what that was about.

The true nature of Scottish society, a drugged out heroin junkie wasteland where they dump you in a taxi and drop your nearly dead ass off at the hospital door.

I wonder how much heroin junkies cost the NHS every year? It must be a staggering amount to keep those junkies alive every time one overdoses. A whole nation of junkies. You might save money if they split. Let the junkies go, you might be better off without them.

 

...the drug culture did filter over from US around the mid 80s, so thank you for that. Prior, there were no drugs to speak of where I live. I knew of one pub where you might encounter drugs and we just avoided it.

We knew about drugs in the US and hoped it would never happen here. Then a Conservative Government cut the border control forces. Thank Conservatives, Westminster and the UK union for all of that, after US who donated the concept of course. Hopefully that whole issue will improve when a Government which cares about the country is in control.

However, although there is a fair amount of drug taking here as there is in any culture including your own, Trainspotting is as relevant to reality as Braveheart for most of us.