Iran, and their nuclear missles.

Discussion in 'Nuclear, Chemical & Bio Weapons' started by Virtus, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bob .. I do not see what Islamic views on women have to do with nuclear weapons in Iran.


    I get the idea of arguing that an extremist Islamic who thought that doing the will of Allah would get him a better position in heaven is a danger in relation to pushing the nuke button. .. should one be in power.

    The same could be said for an extremist right wing fundamentalist who believes that "The Rapture" is immanent.

    "Who cares about the world when the Rapture is comming soon .. why not hasten Gods plan"

    This type of mentality scares me but has nothing to do with views of women.
     
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    It does. It shows their irrational thought process. Sure the same could be said of any fundamentalist, regardless of religion.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are different levels of "irrational".

    If you have been convinced that there is a political leader out there who has not made a few irrational decisions I have a bridge for sale... cheap too !

    This is a far cry from "The rapture is coming soon and talks about fire from the sky in the Bible and we can help God by bringing this forth"

    or .. " let me strap 50 lbs of high explosive to my body and go kill a bunch of innocents so I can find favor with Allah in the afterlife."
     
  4. OJLeb

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    Iran has enriched its uranium to 20%, a nuclear weapons needs at the minimum 80% enriched uranium.

    You are simply fear-mongering now. 20% is the level used for medical purposes, not for missiles. That is not against international law, is it?


    Sorry, but your interpretation of what Russian officials say is twisted to try and prove your point. Of the Russians felt Irans nuclear program was a threat, they would not fight against sanctions against Iran.

    What stated intentions?

    lol Khameini has made a Fatwa a long time ago against developing nuclear weapons. Iran has stated, time and time again, that the nuclear program is for civilian purposes, not military.

    Khameini again stated that Iran is not and will not produce nuclear weapons. The country has been open to talks about its program.


    Exactly, it is just trolling to try and take this discussion off topic, probably because you do not like where it's going. But, I must ask... Why on Earth would you be ashamed for respecting women? Or expect others to be ashamed of you for such a thing?
     
  5. unclebob

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    No, Uranium needs to be enriched to 90%+. Iran wishes to enrich beyond 20%. Its a step in the direction of weapons grade. Why else would Russia condemn it?

    Why does Russia not stop sanctions? Because it sells $13 billion in arms to Iran alone, let alone the roughly $5billion in other markets. Russia has interests there. I though that would be quite obvious?!

    Again, I don't care about what Iran "states". They also "state" "death to Britain", in their parliamentary house. No civilised nation would even consider stating anything that could even be interpreted that way... nor would they kill their own innocent people. They are nothing more than a group of animals.

    Again, I am not trolling. Its about establishing the mentality and rational of the Muslim people. Men can punish woman as a matter of "honour" and treat them as slaves. Death to anyone can be justified through Jihad.



    ....And these "People", who show hints of fundamentalism, should be allowed nuclear weapons?

    No. (*)(*)(*)(*) them. They can not have nuclear weapons or be allowed to move closer to obtaining them, regardless of what they or you "claim".
     
  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Panetta says that Iran is continuing to enrich.. but there are no indications as of yet that they intend to make a bomb.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28561
     
  7. OJLeb

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    80% is the bare minimum for producing a nuclear weapon. Regardless, Iran is 60-70% away from a nuclear weapon.

    All you seem to do is speculate what the Iranians are planning. The CIA should hire you, you seem to know even more then them.

    If a nuclear Iran was really a global threat, and Iran was as crazy as you believe them to be, then Russia would not be building their nuclear reactors.


    Then why should anybody care what you say?

    Are you saying Britain hasn't killed innocent people, Britain hasn't destroyed any countries?

     
  8. unclebob

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    The UN seems to be concerned with their enrichment activities, too. its not just me. Do I need to list all of the UN resolutions for you to believe me?


    The IAEA seem to be concerned about the technology they have been interested in. Heres the report, which I am sure you have already seen:
    http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/documents/IAEA_Report_Iran_02182010.pdf?hpid=topnews

    Russia is saving face and saving money. It is as simple as that.

    The world has learnt a lot since WW1 and 2. Britain is a good egg and has not intentionally killed innocent people for a very long time. We value life and freedom and, Regardless of whatever you wish to spout at me, we are exceptionally compassionate and tolerant.

    When was the last time British Armed Forces killed its own people? When was the last time the British people attacked an embassy? When was the last time Iran done these things?

    Wind your neck in.
     
  9. unclebob

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    Yes I have. I have a auntie, originally from a muslim pakistani family, who she is very detached from. I have heard her views on this issue.

    I also work with a Muslim man. We are quite open on most things, but he, like you, tends to avoid this issue. I know that he feels that she should be at home.

    18% of Muslims in the UK (Openly I must add!) believe that physical punishment should be dealt to woman who damages a families "Honour", regardless of UK law. This was according to a BBC poll.
     
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    There is a book receiving a fair bit of attention " A Gift for Muslim Couple" that proscribe's how to properly discipline a Muslim wife.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/peter-worthington/gift-for-muslim-couple_b_1380485.html
     
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    Iraq...... Afghanistan...... all planned years before hand..... forget the little things and remember the 1.4 milion Iraqis murdered by uk and American forces...or perhaps the 4 million Iraqis that died in the food for oil sanction.....illegal snactions enforced with the uk and us airforces!

    Perhaps it is the 50000 Libyans murdered, sorry the genocide created to protect civilians.....or Somalia, or yemen or...the list goes on and on!

    No stop being a cabbage you have no need to look green or stupid!

    No need for being neurotic at your own governments deceitful claims that has no substance!

    Keep your feet on the ground and listen to facts only, not the fairy stories being forced down your throat by a AIPAC government that rules your nation!

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    Tom tit...... Iran isn't invading any nation....unlike yours! Iran has democracy....yours hasn't......Iran isn't torturing men women and children...yours is! Iran hasn't secret prisons....your have......Iran doesn't have torture chambers......and guess what...your have!

    You government is taking you down the road of genocide...war crimes.....and luckily....you want have to pay for the crimes! Yet!

    Who is walking where?

    Waken up and smell the degerate behaviour for a bunch of degenerative reporobates......sorry is that your AIPAC government?

    Regards
    Highlander
     
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  14. hedayat_yafte

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    What is that better, more powerful weapon/
     
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    I was answer ur question?
    but I can't see it here!!!!!!!
    I'm telling again... I can not explain that weapon with my words until you see that movie...
    and then I will say to you.
     
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    Do you realize that the truth doesn't matter? Its gone too far.. With the threats from Israel.. and the propagnda and lies on both sides...
     
  19. hedayat_yafte

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    It's full part of this movie.
    this movie was created by Pakistani student who lived in Iran from 2007 to 2012.
    so I explain it maybe tomorrow...


    Part 1
    a piece of Strategical source.......USA Is 8th neighboring the country of Iran......
    http://www.aparat.com/v/0fa1950b0a3cdd40fe6ff3052dc421cc219448


    part 2
    Terrorists has a mask of Innocent......
    http://www.aparat.com/v/e772682eec7ad1a5e7e42c7a4ed74f46219453


    part 3
    One of government's opinion
    http://www.aparat.com/v/e87bb674777360219b5e44b2897733ac219454


    part 4
    Isfahan
    http://www.aparat.com/v/35d48c2b234acc687498585ac2e76165219457


    part 5
    No benefit for nuclear weapons........
    http://www.aparat.com/v/2817dadd7088dcd31dffe3e5055a8e00219458


    part 6
    The History of start nuclear program IN Iran....... The history of beginning the new government
    http://www.aparat.com/v/bc75f23dd32d05d91e4aee8bda491b98219459


    part 7
    History of new weapon.......... Iran-Iraq War...... another American's Crime that they never apologized
    http://www.aparat.com/v/e652674bebb9727969e3bf31b4b0dca0219460


    part 8
    sample of first new Power for Iran......
    http://www.aparat.com/v/1eb49c6591af0bc6d3f8744f557c9ef7219461


    part 9
    this type of power was created between people....
    http://www.aparat.com/v/02234e75bce3736ea6a90799e614d161219462


    part 10
    the most Important source.......
    http://www.aparat.com/v/7c57d0b5b9fab29ba9f3e317cc71033f219465


    part 11
    USA doesn't asking for Nuclear weapons........ so what thing are they want?........... BIG LIE 9/11
    http://www.aparat.com/v/fc621b0c78368ff4c12167efbddd3320219466


    part 12
    What Islam says about NUKE........ Iran's right for nuke in other people minds....
    http://www.aparat.com/v/95b9457dea9884631cc6f153d91e0c4c219468


    part 13
    Hiroshima........ USA Nukes.......... Palestine ...... Iran's Power named: soft power.... Iran has a Big and lovely leader
    http://www.aparat.com/v/c5fa39d263ca38801d5efb33b6afe3d9219470


    part 14
    One of American Soldier that fight for Iran against USA
    http://www.aparat.com/v/6cc611d5230ccdb4ee0b457557ee75d9219471


    part 15
    The way to victory... Victory if not far of Iran.
    http://www.aparat.com/v/6cf08fdb7756192bc4a0caf4568e5aac219474


    part 16
    Iran and it's friends in the new world........
    http://www.aparat.com/v/e5712730c371e5fddd7474df6752b347219475


    part 17
    What was The leader say about this big power? ..... Egypt revolution..... all people revolutions ... tomorrow of Europe
    http://www.aparat.com/v/5195670748216dd85fe16c4b278c2db4219476


    FINAL part
    after this part you can see why Nuclear weapons has nothing in front of this new power.....
    http://www.aparat.com/v/118bd45f756176b738340d38db8f1ffa219478
     
  20. highlander

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    Pray tell...what's gone too far?

    Your genocidal maniacs, the torture chambers? Perhaps the lust and greed of your multinationals?

    I can honestly say, I have not been able to catch and Iranian official in lies and deceit, I cannot say the same for your reprobates!

    From the UN, to the thieving of documents from the courier of Saddam, the WMD's, to Torture chambers, Secret prisons, from murdering civilians, men women and children in far off lands, your policies to assassinate innocent people with out trial!

    Aye its gone too far..... but your fascists don't care, there is no-one in the USA have the bollocks to stand up to you're dictatorial regime.

    But with all things corrupt, it withers on the vine!
    How do you think so many American ex service men and women commit suicide!
    Regards
    Highlander
     
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    This is just American war propaganda. They been doing it since ww2. I hope people will learn to see through the lies.
     
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    WWI.

    /tenchar
     
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    It's not even war propaganda. It's normal propaganda America wouldn't get involved in a war with Iran it would spread to a regional conflict immediately. It's just an excuse to place sanctions and limit Iran's economic growth that's all.
     
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    The United States is most likely to use them because we already have. If the Soviet Union did not use nukes, I highly doubt Iran will. Iran used to be held back by Iraq, for the two countries were in a fight for power. By invading Iraq, we essentially got rid of one of the limits on Iran's power. Even with that said, Iran is hardly a threat to the US or Israel. Israel has far more powerful weapons systems, including nukes, than Iran.

    The idea that Iran is some powerful force is simply not true. They don't even really have an airforce to deliver nuclear weapons if they had them.

    You are buying into the media's storyline and government propaganda beautifully.
     
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    They don't?

    Then I guess the reports that they are contracted to buy Su-30 jets from Russia (and the sightings of them over Iran) are all a bunch of nonsense. As are the reports from China that they are buying J-10 fighers.

    http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20071023/85174001.html

    Iran actually has a rather impressive Air Force. They number around 60 F-14 Tomcats (which are more then capable of launching a nuclear weapon), as well as around 100 MiG-29 fighters (which are also nuclear capable). They also have between 6-12 Mirage jets they got from Iraq during the 1990 Gulf War, also capable of launching nuclear weapons.

    Add to that about 60 Chinese F-6/F-7 fighters, around 35 F-4 Phantom IIs, and over 100 F-5 Tiger jets, and you still have a pretty decent air force. And those are just the air/multi role craft. They have many others, including around 40 ground attack fighters, and around 100 cargo aircraft that could easily handle a nuclear weapon.

    And if you think I am joking, the BLU-82 "Daisycutter" was not dropped from a bomber, but from a conventional C-130.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_upy14pesi4

    Iran actually has a very capable air force, and it routinely conducts drills and training right to the edge of the Gulf.

    And do not forget their missile program. The Shahab-3 has a range of 2,000 km, and can carry a warhead up to 990 kg. The newest, the Sejjil III has a range of up to 2,500 km, and is believed to be able to carry a 1 ton warhead.

    I would not ignore either of these either.

    So how you can say "they do not have an air force", I have no idea. They actually have a pretty large one, and also missiles.
     
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