Iran seizes two Greek oil tankers in Strait of Hormuz

@Giftedone Countries will do want they want regardless of what the USA does except with a show of strength. They took a 'Greek' oil tanker. Not a USA tanker. That obviously means that it's less about the USA and more about Iran just being Iran.

Thanks for playing though

 

I don't think so.

No. The question was raised, "what Iran can do about it". I am telling you that the possibility of Iran using nuclear weapons is perceived (in the west) to be more of a threat because the country is thought to be reckless. That perception is an advantage for Iran in case it is intimidated by other countries (particularly the west) who have fostered that perception in the first place. So, I have answered the question, "What can Iran do about it?"

 

Quirky.. A ditty you did, the story you washed. No piracy. Got it. So what Biden is doing is also your concern... cause I don't remember Trump taking ships. or land... but now the Biden... he's the black flag with daggers he is...

 

But wasn't the seizure of Iranian oil piracy? What I see here is a response to one of our own actions. I know with Russia, they have been responding from the time of the first sanctions, so why not Iran?

Every act by Washington, was always answered by an equal act by Moscow. This way they weren't going against international law. Was Washington though within international law when we applied sanctions in the first place? I don't think so because from what I read sanctions are considered a cause for war.

The worrisome thing is, was the seizure of the Iranian oil so that Iran would respond in a way that can be politicized and used as an excuse for an attack by Israel? There are a lot of preparations going on.

Oh well, it's just more problems to add to the ones already going on in that part of the world not to mention Taiwan as well.





Onward glorious soldiers,
we'll impose our right.
Through our fearsome continence
and with our awesome might.

- Jeannette

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So the Iranians playing pirate is analogous to Israel defending itself from attack by 7 different nations at once and taking territory from those aggressive nations until they capitulated?

 

aye .. War Criminal Biden .. Pot calling Kettle Black fellow .. joke on the world stage . shunted to back of room by Macron for his back home politically motivated utterances .. .. dat who you takn bout mate ? Never worry .. never fear... I am always here my dear .. to tell you true .. tell you why .. was Jesus Crucified .

Hear the Prophet you do not .. so concerned about Trumpy wumpy bumpy lumpy .. The Unilateral Iran sanctions .. and subsequent use of the economic nuclear option .. for the first time .. "EVER" .. was no doubt a bold move on the Geopolitical chessboard.

and we can armchair QB that move .. which does prima facie look like a Blunder .. but is a complex game .. grandmasters often make moves that to the novice look odd..

but need we not worry over that .. because we know how the endgame turned out ... turned out to be a very bad blunder .. based on flawed perspective .. miscalculation "If you see Buddha on the side of the street - Kill him" .. Make unto no man a God..

Told you .. and many others .. "At That Time" - dis how I see board .. bad move .. and Told you .. Dis gonna happen.. many times .. Now the Prophecy turns True .. and still you do not give credit where due ..

but but .. Don't take no prophet to predict that in the middle of a major Trade Battle with China .. our biggest economic threat bar none on the board .. making Russia look rather miniscule .. that one engage in economic warfare on a hundred fronts .. with a hundred different nations ..at the same time as having this Trade war with China .. might not turn out so well.. . and the crowd Cries No No No .. only flowers flow out of Trumps backside ... when I say I told ya so.

Was Iran ships who were boarded by Pirates .. at the behest of Heir Trumpinstein .. prior to Iran engaging in similar .. the Gibralter issue if memory serves .. was quite a show .. people didn't know what to do .. jurisdictional quarells but was the British half in Control and the EU on the other .. remember the EU was not with us on the Sanctions .. Yes they complied .. as they had to .. Trump put gun to head ... usurping their sovereighty .. against their will .. breaking new ground.. violating a sacred trust given us.

Big Blunder on geopolitical chessboard for the US citizen .. not necessarily from other perspectives .. there are winners and losers in every game.

One thing I am looking to do is find a good arms stock to invest in .. as this war in ukraine has showcased the power of these new weapons.. the clone wars have begun ..money going to be funneling down that pipe ..

 

Don't think I made that analogy ..and certainly not in that way .. so perhaps time for a "Realty" check.

Curious who these 7 different nations attacking poor Israel are though .. do tell.

 

Yes.

Why am I not surprised? Tell me more about that.

 

Here's more! The Iranians now have the tankers and oil, while the Greeks gained nothing since the oil was taken by the US.

 

So you don't even remember the propaganda you stuck in your own OP? Golan Heights? Ringing any bells dear?

https://www.britannica.com/event/Six-Day-War

 

What do my comments on the annexation of the Golan have to do with your claim - "So the Iranians playing pirate is analogous to Israel defending itself from attack by 7 different nations at once and taking territory from those aggressive nations until they capitulated?" -

"Reality" not your strong suit mate ? Your comments do not even address your previous strawman fallacy - inferring that I stated the above.

then in this post .. which is totally disconnected from the last .. you cry "Propaganda" -- but not stating what you are saying is propaganda .. Is your version of "Reality" .. running around making disconnected unsupported claims concurrent with strawman fallacy .. made up accusations ?

OK

 

The oil Greece stole from Iran was confiscated by the US? I have to read that with my own eyes. Send me a link, please.

 

Again: You mentioned theft of territory and used the Golan Heights as an example. Iran playing pirate in the Strait is not the same as Israel taking territory fairly in a war 7 other nations started against it.
These are not the same types of things dear. One is casus belli IE the iranians playing pirate, the other is the RESULT of a casus belli: Invading Israel will get the Israeli's beating the dog **** out of you and taking territory from you until you cry uncle.

 

I've read the story (about what happened off the coast of Greece) and think it is a huge grey zone whether the US had the right to seize that tanker. Very questionable.


another thread: Iran seizes Greek tanker, in retribution for US seizing tanker carrying Iranian oil

 

Why don't you try posting what I said .. as there were many points made .. and trying to make sense of your claim from there .. you saying what is highlighted in the previous post in bold as you seem to forget "So the Iranians playing pirate is analogous to Israel defending itself from attack by 7 different nations at once and taking territory from those aggressive nations until they capitulated?" -

Israel was mentioned in relation to annexation territory from sovereign nation - as is the case in Kosovo and Crimea .. both given as examples .. having nothing to do with Iran - did not make the analogy that you claimed .. nonsense you made up in your head - misrepresenting what was said .. so time for bed .. Fred

 

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That bout sums it up .. Annexation of territory from sovereign nation -- Kosovo - Golan Heights .. come back to bite .. as was foretold .. right here .. not using any crystal ball .. just a little thought to the future consequences .. and a little common sense .."

^ That's part of your OP. Stop being coy, its boring.

 

I am reminded of Mr. Justice Brandeis' observation a century ago: "Our government... teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy."

 

Exactly - Excellent quote

 

The above doesn't compare Israel to Iran. Why are you making things up and attributing this made up fantasy to others ? Reality not your strong suit mate ?

 

Playing what mate.. your playing with yourself sfar as I can see..

"Countries will do what they want" not always they don't .. nonsensical falsehood this is
"regardless of wht USA does except with a show if strength" False nonsense again .. showing no comprehension of the subject matter.

"Greek Tanker not a US Tanker" the consequences of throwing out the rule book is the topic ... ..why would you think this is all about the USA .. and that taking a Greek tanker is not a shot at the USA .. a complete fail on both attempts at coherent diction.

Followed by acting as if you won something .. which is kind of humorous give your complete inability to comprehend the subject matter .. never mind come up with a coherent comment on the subject matter

 

It's a tit for that.
Greece seized an Iranian tanker and handed it over to the US, so the US could steal their oil.
Just utterly freaking stupid of Greece to think they can just sail past Iran with their tankers after that.

 

Greece started it.

 

They took the Greek tanker because the vessel their oil was on was seized in Greek waters, and Greece had to give permission for the US to take the vessel.

 

Yes indeed .. and the Hormuz itself may well be questionable waters going forward under the "New Rules" - The fun is just beginning ! ..

 

And so it is that 2 centuries later, various western governments have become what the Barbary Pirates were...