Iran Seizes Two UK-Operated Tankers

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  1. Migrunt

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    Iran doesn't want to negotiate. It's not Trump.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He used the SOFA as an excuse to do nothing, and lose the war.
     
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    Perhaps you can list which countries are "uncivilized" and "civilized"?
    Perhaps you can list which countries are against Iran?

    You know, facts, which you struggle with.
     
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    He "left them to their own devices"?? Is that your way of saying he retreated while the country was largely peaceful, took credit for bringing the troops home, created chaos in the Middle East, and then later claimed it wasn't his idea? You've even been given quotes in his own words and an explanation of a SOFA was posted for you to read.

    All the men and women who fought and died in Iraq were abandoned by BHO in 2011 and then had to return later with a further increase in deaths. I assume you're a leftist.
     
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    Great. Then you are fully aware Obama had no choice but to withdraw. Glad you finally came around.
     
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    No, I meant exactly what I said. Which is historical fact.
     
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    We're all aware now that Germans can say goofy things.
     
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    You're being deliberately thick here. Obama did not have to withdraw. Who would make him?
     
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    The 2007 surge and Sunni awakening won the war. Iraq was age, secure, and stable with our residual security force in place but Iran was lurking on the border. Obama pulled everyone out and gave the victory and the fledgling constitutional republic away. Truman pulled our troops out of Korea in 1947 and the same thing happened. Truman left troops in Germany and Japan preventing a Soviet invasion.

    Obama ignored history.
     
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    He was bound by the SOFA to withdraw. You are fully aware of that fact.
     
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    USA, Canada, Great Britain, Saudi, etc.
    Perhaps you can do a better job at trying to frame the narrative. You're the only one here defending the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world. Struggle with that fact. Lol.
     
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    Poor guy. His hands were tied. Nothing he could do to prevent the same thing that happened in Korea just after WWII.
     
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    He was weak, stupid, or corrupt. He was not bound by anything.
     
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    I’m sorry that you once again have no ****ing clue about the subject you are discussing.
     
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    Which shows you have no ****ing clue what a SOFA is. Lol
     
  17. truth and justice

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    So you struggle with maths too!

    Pop US 330M (half of your population are not against Iran)
    Pop GB 65M (where on earth did you conclude that GB is against Iran!)
    Pop Saudi 30M

    Pop China 1300M

    So just one ally of Iran has 3 times the population of the countries that you say are against Iran.

    So much for "most of the civilized world" LOL. One day you'll get something right
     
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    So you're basically just a run of the mill troll. Bye.
     
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    It’s called history. Those who do not understand it are bound to repeat it just like Obama did.
     
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    You are talking about Obama now who was either too weak, too stupid, or too corrupt to renegotiate the SOFA.
     
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    The UK took a tanker of Iran for no reason. So Iran takes a tanker of theirs.
    Sure, there are sanctions against Syria, if the Iranian tanker was going that way.
    But the sanctions are not imposed by the UN, but by the EU.
    The EU has no authority over Iran. Hence the UK started with these acts of piracy.
     
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    Bound by a SOFA??? That's crazy talk. The US Military, the strongest in the world, is not 'bound by a SOFA'.
     
  23. Fred C Dobbs

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    Yep. completely helpless. George Bush signed a SOFA during his administration and poor BHO could do nothing about it.

    He was forced to abandon the victory and allow islamic terrorists to take over, Hundreds of thousands were then murdered, genocide occurred, and millions of people fled to Europe. Poor Obama.
     
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    I actually think he did it for political reasons including a campaign promise and a concession to Iran for the moronic nuclear deal. It was a completely corrupt thing for the Nobel Peace Prize winner to do. Tens of thousands of people died for politics.
     
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    I’m sorry you once again find yourself discussing a topic in which you have no ****ing clue what you’re talking about. It must really suck.
     

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