Iran Seizes Two UK-Operated Tankers

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  1. Mac-7

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    Common sense

    Something is motivating the mullahs to provoke a shooting war with the US

    And it usually involves a troubled regime wanting a distraction to weaken its domestic critics
     
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    So now you get to my post 484. The only papers talking about that are the express and sun and both are cheap tabloids so I cannot get more information on that. We were in any case sending another warship due to Iran's threat which was to escort our ships. None of that in any way changes anything I said. It is to be hoped the UK still avoids dirtying itself in what is to come if the US attacks.

    I think Iran is expecting war soon. From your tabloid

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1156282/Iran-news-cia-arrests-world-war-3-iran-latest
     
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    Javid Zarif
    https://twitter.com/JZarif

    Very true, the sanctions and the murderous war American is determined to fight against the people of Iran is coming to pass because the US chose to go against the agreement it made and Iran was keeping after 12 years deliberation. The US is the one in the wrong here. This is a deliberate war of aggression.
     
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    OH, it is Trump alright. The Iranians don't trust him because he doesn't honor agreements. Who can blame them?
     
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    The US did not make the agreement with Iran. Congress represents the people and congress never officially signed onto the agreement. The agreement did not include ICBM's although the UN has a resolution against Iran building and testing ICBM's which we know Iran is doing. Trump wants to include ICBM's in a new agreement that would be ratified by Americans via the US Congress.
     
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    While legalisms don't matter ultimately, there are countless binding agreements entered into by the executive which aren't in the form of treaties and are considered binding obligations of the US nonetheless.. In this case, however, there was more to it: the JCPOA was endorsed as a UN Security Council resolution and adopted as such. The United States has signed and ratified the UN Charter and is ostensibly bound by it and, consequently, by resolutions of its Security Council.
     
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    The VZ regime is far less stable and it remains securely in power.
     
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    Actually Not. The EU does Not Back the UK. Maybe UK expected Support. But we dont Like poodles
     
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    Compare to the impact of the world wars on the US. Germany sacrificed generations of young men to lose wars. That was very bad for Germany.

    The US population grew 15% from 1910 - 1920. 14.5% from 1940 - 1950.
    https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h980.html
     
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    Funny stuff. Talking about Iran and honor in the same sentence. Why would you defend the number one sponsor of terrorism?
     
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    The agreement was with the previous administration but Trump has not entered into one with Iran. Looks like we may be ready to agree to start blowing stuff up.
     
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    It was not as bad as 30 years war.
     
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    The Democratic party in America still has the welcome mat out at the border.
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would those be Texas cowboy boots, 1% OLMC bike boots ot boondockers ?
     
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    39 years isn't rushing into war.
     
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    That's funny too. Nobody is talking about Iran and honor in the same context. I speak about Trump and lack of honor in the same sentence. I am not defending Iran but merely made an observation. Trump doesn't honor agreements and has created this mess with Iran. And don't tell me that Trump is an honorable man. We had an agreement and he dissed it. They don't trust him, he is a bully on
    the international scene, and will get nowhere with those tactics. Some negotiator your boy is, yes?
     
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    No, only one year with Trump.
     
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    The casualty figures of the German high command are unreliable and far below the actual numbers. Over 40,000 new bodies are being discovered every year in

    “In 1969, the German military historian Burkhart Müller-Hillebrand estimated the total dead and missing at 4.0 million men. These figures were to remain unchallenged until the 1990s when the German historian Rüdiger Overmans conducted a statistical survey of the records at the military search service Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt). The Overmans study put the total German military war dead at 5.3 million. Overmans found that the wartime casualty figures compiled by German High Command were incomplete because the reporting system broke down during the chaos of the war.”

    “Civilian deaths due to the Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50) and the Forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union are sometimes included with World War II casualties, during the Cold War the West German government estimated the death toll at 2.2 million. This figure was to remain unchallenged until the 1990s when some German historians put the actual death toll in the expulsions at 500,000 confirmed deaths. The German Historical Museum puts the figure at 600,000 victims, they maintain the figure of 2 million expulsion deaths cannot be supported. However, the position of the German government, the German Federal Agency for Civic Education and the German Red Cross is that the death toll in the expulsions is between 2.0 to 2.5 million civilians.”
    https://military.wikia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II
    Russia and eastern Germany.
     
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    No...some dark secret place that has reliable sources.
     
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    Actually most of the Middle East and North Africa weren't basket cases when G.W. Bush (43) left the White House.

    There were exceptions like Iraq and Al Qaeda was unable to operate and were in hiding in in Asia (Northern Pakistan) and Yeman and the Horn of Africa.

    Then came the Arab Spring that President Obama supported 100% hoping to put the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt, Libya and Syria.
     
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    See post
     
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    I heard yesterday that Iran wants to sit down with the Trump administration and renegotiate the really stupid Obama, Kerry agreement.

    Maybe Iran needs another $181 billion dollars ?

    Trump's sanctions seem to be working and Iran is going stupid.

    Lets hope that the USA and the UK don't go stupid again.

    Neocon John Bolton could be a problem.

    No more stupid wars and nation building.

    Go back to pre 1938 with small punitive action wars. "Crush and Bolt."

    Go in and kick them in the balls and blacken an eye and break a nose and "bolt" and leave a message "**** with America again we'll be back and kick you in the balls again and break both of your arms and a leg too."
     
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    And? We did still grow in numbers in that time.

    Want see a real Desaster? In the 30 year war, Germany lost 30% of its Population. Some areas got completly depopulated. WW II and I were nothing compared that. It took almost 200 years until German Population reached Numbers from before 30 years war. WWII and I did only slow down growth. In evry year Population was still growing, Just at slower rate.
     
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    A few updates from the UK. The Government has advised ships not to enter the straits until support is at hand. Pompeo is now saying that the US will not protect British ships. Now, given that they offered too before this might suggest the UK is not dancing as the US wants.

    and Hunt is expected to give an explanation and justification for our seizure of Grace 1 which clearly was done with the US
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-after-its-own-ships-in-the-gulf-says-pompeo

    Speaking of Boris Johnson, Alan Duncan is the second person to resign from Government expecting him to be PM. He asked that a vote of confidence be held on Boris the moment he becomes PM and before he goes to the Queen but the Speaker has refused.
     
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    The reason was the EU embargo on Syria and the EU embargo forbids any country from providing fuel oil to Syria.

    Now what happens ?

    What happens if Assad turns to Putin for fuel oil ?
     

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