Iran threatens to Clost Straits of Hormuz

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  1. LogNDog

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    Yeah. I don't understand the "Don't piss off the whiners. We must back down immediately." mentality. Screw them and their horse.
     
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    You think it is complicated because you have never looked past the American BS spin on the region. The Middle East is one of the simplest regions to understand.
    What?! You begrudge Iran for its independence from internal U.S. treachery? Jesus in heaven! ... and who is it now who is "trying to take over the Middle East by all means"? You must be joking because you can't be serious!

    NATO:
    NATO.jpe
     
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    I'm not American. I live in the Middle East.

    Why does your map show a NATO presence in Egypt? Please post a link to the source of the map.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is a loaded sentence. A logical reply would be impossible, at least until you define "American lies" (for instance, do Americans lie all the time, some of the time, on all issues. on some of the issues, do all Americans lie as above or a selected few...) and until you prove that your definition accurately describe reality.

    I usually think using my non-American brain in may non-American head, but if my brain happens to agree with some American brain out there, so be it. I won't reject ideas just because those espousing them belong to a certain nation or a certain ideological group.

    Speaking of American lies, I never believed a word coming out of Obama's mouth. Am I halfway there, or what? :p

    The Mediteranean Dialogue. Not NATO bases.
     
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    yeah right, so you continue the petty attacks. btw, trump has been backing putin and kim, you consider them friends :)
     
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    maybe in your dream world :)
     
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    Surely you know that one man's "terrorist" is another man's "Freedom Fighter".

    You act as if Israel, the US & the Saudis are innocent bystanders when it comes to bombing innocent civilians, kidnapping, assassinations, regime change, unprovoked attacks & murder.

    Israel's right wing lobbies have been trying to push the US into a war with Iran for decades just as they succeeded in pushing the US into the disastrous Iraq War(1), through disinformation, deception & hyperbole.



    (1) "Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year."
    AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr
    New York Sun in January 2003
     
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    You basically ignore things right in front of you. Not going to talk to someone so far locked into their own opinions they can’t think rationally.

    Later.
     
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    I can't speak for Israel or SA....but as for the USA...we are always on the side of right.

    I am glad AIPAC did that...Saddam was a horrible person that needed to go, if only Bush got it all fixed before Obama got elected and turned it to crap.
     
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    Ha Ha ha, more nonesense and pettiness from you. You ask a question and bring up Obama then get mad when someone points out the differences between the past and present.
     
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    Re:
    Do you mean that you're glad that a parasitic & exploitative foreign regime has the unparalleled influence to deceive the US into sacrificing thousands of American lives for a war that benefited primarily that foreign regime?
    No matter what Bush or Obama did, the Iraq war was a disastrous mistake for US interests.

    Have you ever been in combat or spent time in a V.A. Hospital and noticed the fruits of AIPAC's war in the form of mutilated, burned, dismembered & traumatized young Americans?

    Trump even admitted that the only reason the US is in the Mid East at all is "...for Israel" (1)

    Meanwhile, Netanyahu clearly stated the true nature of the one-sided Israeli - US alliance:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”(2)





    (1) "TRUMP: U.S. TROOPS WILL REMAIN IN THE MIDDLE EAST FOR ISRAEL"
    https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Trump-US-troops-will-remain-in-the-Middle-East-for-Israel-572997


    (2)http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html
     
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    Obama made a lot of his followers soft? Jimmy Carter was soft in foreign policy as well. Reagan had to rebuild the military and reassert our presence. Trump will have to do the same.
     
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    i said obama was no different than any other pres with iran.
     
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    Yea and you are wrong. It was total nonsense and I gave you a reasonable answer pointing out the difference(s) and you got all offended. Too bad for you.

    Name one other President that sent pallets of cash to Iran to exchange for hostages. Name another President that knowingly backed off terror organizations to get an arms/Nuclear deal with Iran.

    One Obama-era Treasury official, Katherine Bauer, in little-noticed written testimony presented last February to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, acknowledged that “under the Obama administration … these [Hezbollah-related] investigations were tamped down for fear of rocking the boat with Iran and jeopardizing the nuclear deal.”
     
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    :roflol:

    Iran and what army?
     
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    Stop worrying so much, will yea? the passage will not be closed and the Turks will calm down. Have a great weekend? :hug:
     
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    Yeah, foreign govts lobby here...nothing new. Israel is a our closest ally in the ME...and has been forever. They have been the only bright spot of democratic freedom in the region...it’s spread sinc they have been there. I have no problem with them using us, we use them too
     
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    I addressed every actual posted event. Nothing presented so far shows Iran being the number one terrorist nation.
     
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    They are #1 in terrorism, by far. Name another nation that exports terrorism at a greater rate than Iran. Back it up with evidence.
     
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    Are you unaware that the subject is Iran? Are you equally unaware that the U.S. has been lying about Iran and the whole Middle East since the 195o's?

    What exactly is it that you "agree with"? Perhaps if you had adequate knowledge of the true situation in the Middle East you would not "agree" very much.
    Maybe one-quarter of the way there. :juggle:
    They are marked on the map as "bases" and since the subject is IRAN it hardly matters what sort of cooperation Egypt has with the U.S. The fact firmly remains that Iran is surrounded by NATO bases which is in direct opposition to your comment about Iran wanting to dominate the Middle East. There can be NO DOUBT that it is the U.S. that not only wants to dominate the whole Middle East but (other than Iran) already does.
     
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    Not playing your game. Are you going to ignore the many countries that the US has bombed since 1945?
    https://www.mondialisation.ca/unite...other-countries-americas-bombing-list/5533371

    Are you going to ignore Sunni terrorist attacks in Europe, the US and Asia which are all promoted by Saudi Arabia? Are you going to ignore Daesh who have been aided by the US and Israel?
     
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    Bolton needs to go drink a gallon jug full of bleach.
     
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    Where have you been?

    Israel has been America's most rapacious parasite and insidious enemy whose lobbies have cost thousands of loyal American lives & $ Trillions of dollars.
    Israel's list of betrayals began with the firebombing of American installations in Egypt (Lavon Affair) to deceive America into attacking Egypt and continue to this day with its theft of US secrets & selling them to the Chinese(1).

    Name just one "ally" who has deliberately attacked a US ship, murdered 34 loyal American G.I.s and still managed to extract its yearly $ Billions in "aid". That murderous betrayal & subsequent cover-up shows the extent to which disloyal "Israel Firsters" have infected our government

    Now, the Netanyahu Regime has succeeded in getting American Troops stationed in Israel with orders to die for Israel(2)
    while Israel launches unprovoked attacks on Syria & tries to manipulate the US to fight another war for Israel, this time with Iran.

    Re:
    You may have no problem with Israeli betrayals, parasitism & exploitation of loyal American G.I.s as Zionist cannon fodder but I can promise you that loyal Americans are getting fed up with it.





    (1) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china


    (2) "US Commander: ‘US Troops Prepared to Die for Israel’ in War against Syria, Hezbollah"
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/israe...a-harbinger-of-war-on-syria-hezbollah/238768/
     

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