Is a Fundamentalist less Moral than a Moderate theist?

Is a Fundamentalist less Moral than a Moderate theist?

Is it immoral to kill people with a bomb strapped to your chest if you truly believe you are doing your Gods will? Is it immoral to effect scientific advancement or infringe on peoples lives and liberty because you truly believe you are doing Gods will? It doesn’t matter if you think they have the wrong God because hey what does it matter what people believe if it makes them happy right? Besides how can you deny someone else’s faith just because it doesn’t match your own?

If there is only one religion that has the God question right how could there be moral people outside of that religion?

If you believe that God transcends all religions that complicates the issue even further in regards to getting our morality from God because how do we discern what is moral if we are born without morality?

Why are those with the most conviction, with the greatest belief in God often considered the most immoral if we indeed do get our morality from God?

 

Every single fundamentalist with whom I've had or observed a discussion about evolution or geological time will lie, distort, misrepresent, and otherwise display great dishonesty and
then back it up by refusing to ever admit to being wrong on anything they say.

The only arguments they have are falsehoods of one sort of another.
They never display the least conscience about the use of same.

Moral? Ha.

 

The term "fundamentalist" in the world of Christianity only refers to the group of people who prefer to read the Bible in a way that literal meaning of the contexts is accepted as the truth.

On the other hand, where's the morality of those who claimed to be not religious but choose to stay in the religious forum to try force the religious to be atheistic ? Are they sure that the Bible God doesn't exist. No, they can't be sure. So in effect and under the circumstance that they cannot be sure whether God exists or not, they can't be sure about hell exists or not. Yet they choose to spend their time with the agenda to try to turn away the believers by shaking their faith (at least it is in effect so). It means that they would like to risk not only their lives but other lives and eternity, in the case the Christianity is a truth (which no one can refute completely). So where 's their morality with the attempts to drag others to hell in the case it does exist (again no one can refute this completely. Everyone just chooses to believe it or not). What are the Christians to do with them if the Christians choose to uphold their faith? Are they offended by the Christian faith?

 

Why don't you start by actually addressing the OP and directly answering the questions and maybe I will answer yours.

 

I certainly believe that American fundamentalists are deeply cynical and evil. Some Muslim ones probably are too.

 

So what is the difference between them and their moderate counterparts? They both essentially believe in the same God so why does their morality differ?

 

Societies come in three "flavors," Patriarchy, Matriarchy, and Christian.

Patriarchies are sexually moral because the Laws punish thee violators.
But the violators always have ways to avoid getting caught.
They are "in the closet."

Matriarchies are sexually immoral because they believe such behavior is not hurting others, and hence, is moral, profitable, and fun.

Christians are sexually moral because they want to be sexually prudent.

 

So will everyone of the sexually promiscuous members of the Matriarchy as far as I can tell.
The people who live in a Matriarchy will oppose the Bible with Scientific arguments, but totally ignore fact based readings of Genesis which are sound.


For instance, the atheists on this Forum will not accept or acknowledge a reading of even the first couple of verses as totally comprehensive, acceptable literal understanding.

 

Are you sure you know what constitutes a lie? What you are telling us is; if someone disagrees with you, or sees things differently than you do is being dishonest and deliberately deceitful? Does this also mean whoever sees things the way you do, is an honest, righteous and moral individual? Hmmm, I don't think so, so I guess that makes me a liar?

 

Because they believe in the Letter, upon which their alleged Founder frowned, for a start.

 

I find that many of those who claim themselves 'atheists', are so only because God is not condoning their actions. Since they feel Christianity and a belief in God is inconsequential, then why are they annoying the h*** out of the rest of us. I mean is anyone holding a gun to their head telling them to convert?

 

If morality is based on what one believes how can anyone get it from God?

 

Aha! So then if someone follows the Ten Commandments literally, and doesn't kill, bear false witness, commit adultery, etc., is evil. How interesting! Then what do you consider not being evil?

 

Not sure what you need me for, if you are going to ask a 'question", answer it and then confuse yourself!

Just giving you a friendly hard time ok? I think we can find a way to see eye to eye on this.

No, not at all.

Im not that good!

Now that is cleared up, here is what i said, not all of it about "Lies".

discussion about evolution or geological time will lie, distort, misrepresent, and otherwise display great dishonesty

i've observed all of these things, over and over. Along with the unwillingness to ever admit to being wrong about anything.

Misrepresentations and distortions may be only the result of ignorance, or, it may be conscious.
Either way, though it is actually deliberate. Failure to do one's due diligence before making a statement is negligent, and that is, of course, deliberate. That "they" never will admit to being wrong when some does their diligence for them is further indication its deliberate.

That is what Im talking about, not about "agreeing with me".

Make sense?

 

Being honest. If fundamentalists follow the Ten Commandments, what do they make of Jesus's summary thereof? In my view they have never read the gospels.

 

we find a bit of a bent for making things up, n'est ce pas?

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ah but they dont

 

Actually I have a great problem with fundamentalists because I find them 'elitists'. Frankly they frustrate me no end because they can't accept anything other than what they were taught. It's almost as if their whole belief system will collapse if they did, but this has nothing to do with being immoral, it is simply spiritually immaturity. Their faith is weak, so they need to grow more into it. Best to leave them alone.

 

Thats an interesting point. The three most spiritual people I have known, where also the most comfortable with their faith, they simply didn't feel they had anything to prove. They had established their relationship with their respective God and that was that

 

To answer the topic of whether a Fundamentalist is less Moral than a Moderate theist?

A fundamentalist is one who follows the letter of the law, so he has to be more moral. This though doesn't mean he is more of a Christian than a moderate, since 'love' in Christianity supersedes laws. This capacity to 'love' even your enemies, is a gift of the Holy Spirit, so it's not easy to come by and requires a lot of soul searching, and a great, great, great many prayers.

 

Morality is an inherently relative term. You have your morality; I have mine; and so on. One would be better off not confusing the doctrine of any particular religion with abject morality. There is no universal morality--it is purely a human construct whether one is of faith or not.

 

The questions I asked in the OP were meant for those who believe we do get our morality from God.

 

Interesting because this is a contradiction. Atheists do not believe in God so why would they consider whether or not God would condone their actions? Most theist tend to have a problem with what it actually means to be an atheist so it's not surprising that you actually think this.

I have never met an atheist who is engaged in the religious debate and yet feels that Christianity and a belief in God is inconsequential. It is literally the opposite.

Not anymore which is the reason you hear from them. America stripped religion of its power and because of this people can finally challenge it without risking their life.

 

Yes blowing up people in the name of their God or trying to teach nonsense in school while rejecting evolution is simply spiritual immaturity and we should just leave them alone.

Never mind all the millions of people that suffer every day because of religious fundamentalism, it will just work itself out.

The reality is religious moderates create the shade that the fundamentalists of the world still relax in with their inability to see credulity for what it is. And here you are trying to make it just a little more comfortable for them.

 

And my response applies to those who do or who do not believe in God. If you have a church with 365 members, then you have a church with 365 different sets of moral values.