Is a GMO tomato....still a tomato?

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Is a GMO tomato, a tomato?

  1. Yes, GMO foods are still the species.

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  2. No, GMO foods are a different species.

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  1. ringotuna

    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Monsanto is not over the FDA.
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know what the case is with GMO tomatoes specifically. I was speaking more globally as to GMO plants. If you want to know specifically about tomatoes, then google them I suppose if it concerns you that much.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look on the label of any bag of gmo seed. You'll find a list of all the patent numbers that apply to that product.
     
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    "Roundup Ready" refers to a GMO product that is designed SPECIFICALLY to encourage higher dosages of glyphosate.

    I know the overall story.

    But, my point has consistently been that I'd like the labeling that would allow me to NOT support the cases where dumping more chemicals into our environment is the PURPOSE of the modification.

    And, your claims of "no harm, no foul" are LUDICROUS. You have NO idea what could be found from current and future feats of genetic engineering from the biochemical industry. It isn't possible to know something like that.

    http://www.nature.com/news/widely-used-herbicide-linked-to-cancer-1.17181
    http://www.naturalnews.com/049120_glyphosate_exposure_WHO_admission_cancer.html

    Yes. What I eat gets to be chosen by ME, not by Monsanto.
     
  5. ringotuna

    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please list for me which GMO crops cannot reproduce through natural processes.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-carcinogenicity-classification-of-five-pesticides-by-the-international-agency-for-research-on-cancer-iarc/
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can find some form of naturally occurring male sterility in many crops. Corn, Grain Sorghum, Cotton all have variants of cytoplasmic male sterility, which wh en crossed with normal male parents will throw a MALE sterile offspring. In CMS systems fertility can be restored to the next generation by way of what are called restorer genes present in the male parents genome. Other forms of sterility include both dominant and recessive genetic male sterility. Both systems have been manipulated to hybridize the various crops.

    I should stress here for the benefit of everyone that this has nothing to do with GMO's All these systems were identified and put in use long before any of us learned to spell GMO.
     
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    Percy Schmeiser knew, he sprayed Round-Up on 3 acres of Canola that he 'suspected' contained Round-Up Ready plants. He harvested the plants that survived and separated those seeds. Next season, he planted 1,000 acres of Round-Up Ready plants and illegally skirted the Monsanto license-patent fee.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I enjoy agreeing with people much more than I do disagreeing. It makes for a more pleasant day, So I will say that you have made two very valid points. Technology providers grossly underestimated the push back brought on by various activist groups. I can tell you they were stunned to see protests from various sources against a product that actually reduced the volume of pesticides introduced into the environment. Second you are quite correct in that one cannot, should not blanket-ly assume 'gmo = bad' or vice versa. Each and every new technology should be judged on it's own merits and flaws. Science is not inherently bad or good.
     
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    Is an African American with one distant white ancestor still Black?
    The same applies to GMO tomatoes.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A good point Anders, but because the OP asks if they are the same species...a more accurate analogy in terms of the question being asked is.....is he still human?
     
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    Most propagate themselves, if the conditions are right. Just like any other cultivated seeds.

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    So you're saying hybrid tomatoes aren't tomatoes? Most hybrids don't breed true.

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    Kind of interesting that he has this GMO tomato obsession, when there aren't any GMO tomatoes on the market in the U.S.
     
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    Knowing and paid by is too different things. Still collecting pensions from monsanto while making money from them isn't right. Wasn't it obama that promised no lobbyist in his administration? Yup!!!!
     
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    It's obvious your partisanship obsession here is with Obama and you've nothing to contribute to the discussion.

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    There's a lot of confusion out there.
     
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    There are reports they are planning on reintroducing GM tomatoes designed to bolster the good cholesterol in the blood stream or something like that. I don't think it has been actually put on any shelves yet. Since the people ,most worried about their HDL's are the same people who are more likely to have ulcers and issues with the acidity in tomatoes,, it will be interesting to see how that plays out on the supermarket shelves.
     
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    No that the FDA is loaded with monsanto people. The FDA that makes regulation and watches over monsanto. As they dump billion of gallons of round up i our sinking water.
    Holding farmers hostage to their seeds
    Fighting to not label there products.
    I thought it's healthy according to them. Why not be proud of it then? Label your crap. Let people know what you are feeding them. Let them know how their is round up in the plants they grow.
    A brew research company comes out and points a finger at monsanto for bees disappearing. So Monsanto buys the research company out. No more bad press and who cares about the bees anyway right?
    http://m.naturalnews.com/news/035688_Monsanto_honey_bees_colony_collapse.html
    But progressives love these polluters because they donate millions to obama and Hillary.
     
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    Farmers have adopted Monsanto's technology because they recognize the financial advantage to doing so. Despite the hyperbole and sensationalized headlines no one is held hostage or required to do anything they haven't agreed to do.

    What is a brew research company? Do you mean bee research? Monsanto has a financial interest in helping to maintain a healthy global bee population, so it's quite logical that they would engage with leading researchers to further their studies into biological control of invasive pests deadly to bees. It's a good fit. Perhaps you can point me to Beelogics research publications which accuse Monsanto of causing CCD. That would be great.
     
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    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Researchers are also working to develop a non-allergenic peanut. Ain't that cool? :)

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    An angel gets its wings? :)
     
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    Rebels without a clue. :)
     
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    Not really so much an advancement as waste of money for those of us who are not allergic to peanuts...:chew:
     
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    Can is still reproduce viable offspring with other tomatoes? If so, still a tomato.

    The thoughts of a bright red tomato with fur a beak and some tentacles. I'd have to start a garden.
     
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    Here it is again. http://m.naturalnews.com/news/035688_Monsanto_honey_bees_colony_collapse.html
    Get bad press. Buy the company giving you the bad press.
    http://www.truth-out.org/article/item/6661:the-buzz-behind-the-monsantobeeolgics-acquisition

    Here is a funny little monsanto gem.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM
    If the progressives think it's so safe why not drink it? Lol.
    Drink up progressives. Love your pesticides.
     
  25. ringotuna

    ringotuna Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More fear mongoring codswallop from anti-science internet bloggers.

    How is this a 'Monsanto Gem'? The guy is a former Greenpeace douchbag and climate change denier. Despite the fodder you've been fed, he's not a Monsanto Lobbyist.

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    And potentially life saving technology for those who are.
     

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