Is America still worth fighting for?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Ronstar, Jun 26, 2015.

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Is America still worth fighting for?

  1. Yes

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    62.1%
  2. No

    6 vote(s)
    20.7%
  3. Yes, but things are changing too fast.

    3 vote(s)
    10.3%
  4. I don't know anymore.

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    6.9%
  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America is changing quickly.

    millions of illegal aliens made legal.

    everyone forced to buy or possess health insurance.

    gay marriage legalized nation-wide.

    corporations are considered people.

    rising debt, failed wars.

    Congress can't pass a budget.



    is this the America that you want to fight for?

    is this the America that is worth defending?
     
  2. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you can't have a battle flag, why even fight ?
     
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    America is worth fight for but Obamaland isn't.
     
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    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All is not lost. The last two presidents have done more damage to America than any enemy ever has, but it's not a lost cause yet. The People need to change the "US vs THEM" mindset and start electing people of honor and integrity to office. People who are qualified to fix the problems, instead of talking heads. The People need to understand that it's not Republicans vs Democrats that is important, nor is it liberals vs conservatives. They need to purge our government of the scoundrels (which is ALL of them). They need to rid Washington of Authoritarians. Career politicians on the take, and power hungry authoritarians is what is wrong with America, and it has gotten progressively worse through the last several election cycles.

    I am skeptical that the masses care enough to see what is going on behind the curtain. They will allow the media's "divisive outrage du jour" drive them to the polls to vote against the evil of the week, as per usual. But all is not lost yet.... unless the progressives win another ride on the wheel.

    See, what keeps us on a more-or-less straight course is the pendulum swing. We've been going left for a while, and its time to go right. If we continue to go too far left, we go in the ditch. If we go too far right, we go in the ditch. We're dangerously close to that left-side ditch, but not so far gone that we can't steer out of it.
     
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  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i think things are changing a little too quick.
     
  6. Daniel Light

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    Considering the history of this country and some of the REALLY major crap it has gone through ... these are pretty small potatoes in comparison.
     
  7. pol meister

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    Politically, it's a country I can't really relate to anymore. I do think average folk like me are in the majority, but it's the activist minority that rules; a classic case of the tail wagging the dog.

    Take for instance gay marriage. The same man who ruled that the federal government, the states, and the voting citizenry do not have the right to define marriage, also ruled that one man in a black robe does have that right; himself. That is what is wrong with America, the oppressive force of the few upon the many.
     
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    Worth fighting for ? Hard to say.

    I'm most discontent with the taxation process and the use of the IRS as a political tool
     
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    I'd be more inclined to fight AFTER most of the changes you mentioned. But then, I've always enjoyed a good scrap.
     
  10. Daniel Light

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    So would you say it is impossible for the many to subjugate the few?
    Do the courts not have any rights to protect the weak?
     
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    What do I care about who gets to define marriage? I can still define it for myself, right, and I don't feel I need to define it for someone else. Doing so would be the definition of 'oppressive force'.
     
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    But these things have been in the works for decades. Propaganda on both sides has been flying like monkeys throwing their own fecal matter at each other for many years. The confluence of a (IMO) radical leftist President, radical leftist MSM and a SCOTUS intent on creating legislation has brought us what we see now. It takes a LOOOONG time to change a country and the leftists have been chopping away at it for quite a while...now they are rewarded but, will now probably have to deal with a backlash.
     
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    No oligarchy is worth defending by its victims. Let the rich fight their own wars, instead of sending the poor and the non elites.
     
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    Yes, it's worth fighting for and I expect democrats and homosexuals to join the military and go fight Isis.
     
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    The president is like the others beginning with Ronny Raygun, he is a neoliberal, which gave us the oligarchy. The oligarchy does not care about social issues, and so let the people think we have a republic, by these battles over social issues. This allows the congress and the president to only represent the elites, in their insatiable greed to max out their profits, by hollowing out America, and redistributing the income and wealth of the middle, into their greedy little paws.

    That the voters can be so misdirected so they ignore the big picture works out very well, as you see on this forum. All I see are men living in a delusion, and willing subjects of emotional driven propaganda.
     
  16. pol meister

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    I would say it is impossible for the oppressive to see their own oppression; which is what makes them the oppressive activists they are. The activists are not making the weak strong, slaves free, or the poor rich; they are privileging their own activist groups at the expense of everyone else.

    The same holds true for the ACA ruling; just a different set of losers and a different set of winners. Both rulings a net loss to the country, and a net gain to the oppressors.
     
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    Obama woke up one morning and while he was looking under the bed for his golf shoes he realized he only has 18 months left to change America.

    With bypassing the Constitution and Congress and a little help of the SCOTUS legislating and rewriting law from the bench, what we are experiencing is cultural-Marxism Blitzkrieg.
     
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    I don't know, can you define it for yourself? Have you tried getting married to more than one partner yet?

    Tell me I won't have to spend a penny of my monies, or a minute of my time subsidizing your marriage, or in any way having to cater to it; then maybe I'd be OK with it.
     
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    better to have a winners battle flag.

     
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    Fighting who for and how?
     
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    oh no, homosexuals can marry their partners in a free country.... how fast some turn on freedom as if it's a bad thing when they can't deny other the same freedoms they enjoy

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    oh for petes sake O'bama had nothing to do with Scotus decision. They are different branches of government.

     
  23. Battle3

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    The backlash has already started, people have begun to fight back in their own way. Consider:

    -Connecticut gun owners refused to obey the "progressive" gun control.
    -New York gun owners massively refuse to comply with the misnamed SAFE Act, and upstate NY towns passed local legislation banning their law enforcement from enforcing the SAFE Act.
    -A crowd funding program raised over $800,000 to save Memories Pizza from the gay mob.
    -Billy Graham Evangelistic Association started a boycott of Wells Fargo over Wells Fargo support of gay parenting.
    -as a result of grass roots efforts, more and more states and school districts are opting out of Common Core.
    -Civil War memorabilia stores have largely sold out over a massive surge in orders, RebelStore.com received over 8,000 orders in one day, some very large orders (normally they get about 20 orders a day). I suspect there are not that many "rebels" ordering flags but a lot of people simply showing their disgust at the "progressive" brain washing effort.

    The signs are there, I think the majority are beginning to move, and its not to support the "progressives".
     
  24. APACHERAT

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    You are absolutely right but listening to Obama today, he's taking full credit.

    Obama needs a legacy and he only has 18 months to find one.
     
  25. Penrod

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    That has always been the case on the rest Im with ya

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    I have a bridge here in Brooklyn to sell you. Who appointed the last two or 3 judges? I guess Harry reed and Pelosi never listen to Obama either.
     

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