Is Christianity really as violent as Islam?

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  1. BlackHogGranolaBrown

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    Most of the Islamic states became neutralized under European, and Turkish rule.

    If we look at before, or after then Islam was a greater evil.

    But, when most of the Islamic states were neutralized the European Christians were the greater evil.
     
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    Of course they were waving a religious banner but this has little to do with it. When Christian armies -fighters-knights took over another nation, tribe, town - they converted the inhabitants by force and coercion. It matters not what banner they were flying during the actual conquest. Once under Christian rulers, one was compelled to adopt Christianity or face serious consequences. = conversion via the sword.
     
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    United States foreign policy is ridiculous, the United States should not even get involved in Mideast affairs in the first place.
     
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    I agree with almost all of what you say here - with the exception that the reformation did not do the best job of returning Christianity back to the doctrine of Christ. Saying (doctrine of the Bible) confuses things as the doctrine of Christ and the doctrine of the Bible are very different things.
     
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    The Turks are Muslims and did some pretty evil stuff. Just as the Greeks or the Armenians.

    Of course atheists were the greatest evil of the twentieth century, but that is getting off topic.

    Fortunately, the atheist states in Europe collapsed, and now Islam is the resurgent evil facing the world.
     
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    As a general rule of thumb, the two methods will come to the same result. I think that it is perhaps better to use the method I gave. First, theological doctrine plays a major role in religion, beyond the text, and to look at the text independent of theological doctrine can give a very different picture. Second, for the most part it still comes to the same result as what you suggest - note that the few groups you mentioned are extreme outliers. If you look at the really devout and well-read Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians, they are often pacifists.
     
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    That's true, I'm well aware of this as I have a sliver of Armenian heritage.

    But, had there been many Islamic states, there probably would have been much more atrocities.
     
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    I think you need to distinguish between the doctrine of Jesus and "the Bible".

    The dogma that Islam practices comes right out of the Bible as does the forced conversions carried out by the Holy Romans.
     
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    Yes, Communist Atheists might have killed 100 million in a matter of several decades.

    It's funny I just got done speaking of this in a comment just before yours..
     
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    Of course Christian nations declared war to profit and benefit through annexation of land, resources and wealth. This continues to this day.
     
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    I suspect that Turkey would be less violent than other Muslims by their nature.

    It's a matter of power.

    Turkey hardly has terrorists today, compared to many other Muslims.

    The Turkish genome proves a lot of their DNA is in fact Greco-Armenian, with only traces of Turkic, Persian, or Arabic.

    But, it's obvious that Turks attracted a lot of Greek, and Armenian lowlifes in it's ranks.

    Armenians, and Greeks obviously have been far more intellectually productive.
     
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    Still trying to justify the violence because it may not have been as violent as another religion. Wow.
    The question should be, why are religions born of Abraham prone to be violent.
    Perhaps the god that Abraham followed was violent?
     
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    You pretending to be Jesus and know what he may or may not do.
     
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    I base it on that was how things were in Europe, specifically England. That's why they left and came here. That's why they set up the constitution to be freedom of and from religion. They knew where a religious gov't would lead them back to.
    Not rocket science.

    I am not defending Islam. Merely pointing out Abrahamic religons weren't all that much different. One has evolved because secularism took over the gov'ts and not the religion. While some countries use the religion as a base for the countries laws. You can see where that leads, Islam.

    I do recognize Islam based gov'ts are backwards to progressiveness. You'll never find a statement from me stating otherwise.

    Again, my main point is all the Abraham based religions have all done the same things.
    And one is still doing so today.
    The others are not because they don't run any gov'ts. Except maybe in Africa, where the results of such has been pointed out.
     
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    Your flat out lies repeated over and over won't make it any more true.
    How are D's defending Islam? Specifics.
     
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    All gov'ts of the world are because God wants it to be.(paraphrased)
    A verse in the bible says so.
     
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    As if people from the Mideast aren't more aggressive?
    Might I point out that from Central Asia to North, and East Africa to Europe there's loads of Middle-Eastern DNA passed on.
     
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    Well start your own thread then. The question here is why Democrats think Christianity is worse than Islam when the reverse is obviously true.
     
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    Rape occurs even if they are not muslim. You just like singling out specific group.
    I denounce rape and violence by all. As I said, I point out the hypocrisy by those singling out a specific group simply out of hate.
     
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    It is not out of hate. It is out of fact. Islam is one big rape culture. It is much worse than Western rape cultures. This is simply true.

    Why don't you denounce the worst offenders? Why do you want to import more of the worst offenders?
     
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    Votes.
     
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    Muslims were out of control in the 1200's - 1500's between the genocides of India, the genocides committed by Tamerlane, and the Muslims involved in Golden Horde atrocities.

    Christians were out of control in the 1600's - 1900's with Colonialism, into Nazi Germany.

    Atheists were out of control in the early - late 20th century, with Communism.

    It's largely about power, those who have power are more likely to commit atrocities.
     
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    More aggressive, less aggressive, subjective. I guess it depends on which side one is on.

    What does the DNA have to do with this?
    Are you aware the USA founded by Europeans, slaughtered the natives in the USA when they 1st came here?
    Some of those with the same DNA slaughtered the natives of South America.
    What is your point?
     
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    Nazi Germany had nothing to do with Christianity.
     
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