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Is DeSantis right or wrong? "Fully vaccinated chance of surviving COVID is close to 100%''

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  1. nopartisanbull

    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    nopartisanbull, Jul 23, 2021
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    You apparently think that politicians don't support their pharma lobbyists interests. There is no downside for supporting them.
     
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    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    Do you actually believe that the following claim made by DeSantis was in the best interest of Big Pharma?

    Fully vaccinated Floridians' chance of surviving COVID is 'pretty doggone close to 100%.

    DeSantis also said;

    "If you’re vaccinated and you test positive but you don’t get sick, well the name of the game is to keep people out of the hospital''

    Once again, DeSantis is right!

    BY THE WAY, Keeping people out of the hospital SAVE LIVES, AND MONEY
     
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    CKW Well-Known Member

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    We don't have enough statistical data to make those claims. As it is...the stats change as the hyperbole changes. I think it's fine for a governor to push for vaccinations. He believes it's in the best interest of Floridians and his state. Still an individual choice.
     
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    I can't imagine why...

    "Forty percent of all new cases this week have been recorded in Florida, Texas and Missouri, White House pandemic response coordinator Jeff Zients revealed at a press briefing Thursday.

    Florida alone accounts for 20 percent of all new cases nationally, Zients pointed out, a trend that has stretched into its second week."
     
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    nopartisanbull Well-Known Member

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    Quote: He believes it's in the best interest of Floridians and his state

    Huuuuumm, according to Hoosier, DeSantis made a claim ''in the best interest of Big Pharma''
     
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    Of course it is in the interest of big have you seen what the governments paying per dose. Of course no one is bothering to mention that the likelihood of surviving covid if you had had the vaccine is pretty damn close to 100% without the vaccine if you are under fifty.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    DeSantis is wrong on this one, but he is a politician.

    Looking to politicians for medical advice or accurate reporting and understanding is a fool's mission.
     
    Eleuthera, Jul 23, 2021
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    Sure, now that Florida clocks 20+% of all infections in the nation, he is changing is tone.

    12 500 infections in Florida yesterday.
     
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    Irrational!

    The PER PATIENT hospitalization cost is unquestionably WAY MORE EXPENSIVE than the cost PER DOSE.

    DeSantis; "If you’re vaccinated and you test positive but you don’t get sick, well the name of the game is to keep people out of the hospital''
     
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    Based on a test that is known to be grossly inaccurate, especially when used for political purposes.

    Garbage in = garbage out. Meaningless numbers meant to inspire fear of a virus with a 99% survival rate. :deadhorse:
     
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    What it DeSantis gaining by misrepresenting the numbers?

    WW2 servicemen had about the same survival rate, so according to your logic its not worth to mention that 291 000 Americans died in WW2. Covid has killed more than twice that many Americans.
     
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    Big pharma and big medicine may be related but they are not identical. By the way we are talking about survival rates here not hospitalization rates. And the survival rates for those under 50 without other near fatal preexisting conditions, with or without the vaccine is near 100 percent.
     
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    Is DeSantis also wrong on this one;

    ''the name of the game is to keep people out of the hospital''

    AND measures that keep people out the of the hosptial, such as; VACCINATIONS, save lives and MONEY

    NOTE: Anti-vaxers have never cared for;

    a. Covid19 Deaths
    b. Overwhelmed Hospitals
    c. Cost of hospitalization
    d. Cost of unnecessary hospitalization

    AND people who don't worry about the COST, and unnecessary/avoidable COST are certainly not ''net tax payers''
     
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    Operation Covid is all politics, NOT public health.

    DeSantis has been a good governor, but he is a politician first.
     
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    So, the whole world just decided to pretend that 4 million people didn't die, and they did it to achieve some kind (unknown) of political goal.
     
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    Mr. fiscally irresponsible, should we AT LEAST keep the COST of Covid hospitalizations DOWN, both ACTUAL, and AVOIDABLE?
     
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    Very few hospitals actually got overwhelmed except in NYC and a few other big blue cities. And that was all in the very early days before we knew appropriate treatments for the disease.
     
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    Question to the anti-vaxers; How could we keep the COST of Covid hospitalizations DOWN, both ACTUAL and AVOIDABLE?
     
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    Overwhelmed or not, How could we keep the COST of Covid hospitalizations DOWN, both ACTUAL and AVOIDABLE?

    Your suggestion(s)?
     
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    Be More proactive in your personal respose the earlier you get treatment the better off you are. If you think your sick get your butt to the doctor's office. Primary care physician are supposed to be the first line of defense not where you go when you can't get into the emergency ward...
     
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    Incentivize losing weight by heavily taxing being obese? With 1/6 of the world starving, those fat bast*rds are just being greedy anyway.
     
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    Quote: By the way we are talking about survival rates here not hospitalization rates

    Not hospitalization rates???????????

    Same article;

    DeSantis also said;

    "If you’re vaccinated and you test positive but you don’t get sick, well the name of the game is to keep people out of the hospital'

    WELL, THE NAME OF THE GAME IS TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THE HOSPITAL

    Thus, lower the number of Covid hospitalizations, thus, lower the Case Hospitalization rate.....DUH!

    https://www.fox13news.com/news/gov-desantis-covid-19-vaccines-are-saving-lives-reducing-mortality
     
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