Is Global Warming Science Just A Fraud?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Distraff...... what do you think about the theory that one nation on earth has experienced cooling in its climate since 1950 and.......
    that same nation just happens to lead the world in a combination of planting trees and in large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture, reforestation projects.... and for towns and cities experiencing drought.

    That one nation is Israel..... and since they could not get into desalination on a grand scale until after their beginning in 1948.....
    we can presume that this alternative theory on climate stabilization will work within a decade......
    whereas a carbon tax could take a century or longer to produce cooling in the climate.


    You may enjoy the way that biologist and coach Carl explains it......

    www.BankingSystemsFlaws.BlogSpot.ca/

    Carl Cantrell.
     
  2. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    I looked into it. Israel isn't the only country with net forest gain. In fact many countries are getting back their forests. Yet we will see global warming in these countries.
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    https://www.bipindicators.net/indicators/forest-area-as-a-percentage-of-total-land-area

    Also I couldn't find any data showing Israel as the only country that cooled. In fact the data shows it warming like everywhere else.

    Below is the temperature change from 1950 - 1980:
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    https://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=75

    Here they are from 1980 - 2015:
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    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201506
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So tell me this....if there is suddenly an unpredicted number of solar flares on the sun, do your scientists include that in their analysis of man made global warming?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I live in the Arizona south west. There are a lot of abandoned Indian dwellings all over the southwest. I understand the Navajo at one time left their traditional area in favor of
    San Diego area due to a climate change. They returned after 30 or forty years. History is full of migrations of Ancient peoples due to climate change. The Anasazi disappearerd and it is assumed mostly due to climate change. Modern man just has a propensity to feel enlightened and spew forth ideas that make him seem in control of everything. I think it is just a lot of braggadocio and a desire to promote political ideology.
     
  5. Distraff

    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Actually from 2000 we didn't see a drop in temperatures, at best we saw a pause. Some data shows slower warming. Also 2015 and 2016 are record high years that break this pause. But we will have to wait to see what the actual trends will be.

    So if we see decreases in water vapor, then a decrease in temperature can't be used to explain it. Water vapor is just a response to temperature change and looks like an immediate response to even short-term changes as you can see in the graphs below. If the earth warms, this warms the oceans, and warm oceans produces more vapor.

    Also solar activity has been decreasing since 1950 for the last 65 years. So the water vapor rise is coming from short-term temperature rise not long-gone temperatures increases 65 years ago.
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  6. DennisTate

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    Wow!

    Your answer is exceptional!

    My off the cuff guess as to the problem would be that perhaps the massive decrease in
    forest cover in Brazil, New Zealand and some other areas is having a negative effect that
    is altering the formula not only in their own territory but also in surrounding countries as well?????

    That is just a guess!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is one of the places where the cooling in Israel is mentioned:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml
    ............

    I have campaigned for public office four times already.
    During one of my campaigns I was at a meeting in Goldboro, Nova Scotia
    where the environmental impact of a proposed natural gas project was being
    discussed. I actually could not make it to the meeting on time due to my work
    schedule but I had a conversation with somebody outside the meeting who asked me.
    "Can you guess the one nation on earth that has experienced cooling in their climate
    over the last six decades?"

    I guessed Israel......
    I can't remember if I had already read about Global Dimming at that time or not.....
    He said that I was correct.....

    Many environmental scientists are crediting the cooling in Israel simply with Global Dimming
    and the amount of dust, ash and soot in the jet stream going over Israel.......
    but I am thinking that they are over looking the potentially even more important
    detail that Israel is one of the nations where arid land is being deliberately turned GREEN!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rleans-and-florida-from-rising-oceans.300460/

    Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?


    • No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!

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      Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!
      11 vote(s)
      39.3%

    • No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!
      6 vote(s)
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      Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?
      14 vote(s)
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    Oh... the man outside that meeting who asked me that question stated that he
    was an Environmental Scientist.... and the calibre of his question and the fact that
    he knew the answer seemed to indicate that he was what he claimed to be.

    Any of you who use Facebook who would like to assist in getting people on the political right
    to look at climate change science a little differently you might want to comment on this......


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/202052250210741/permalink/274617472954218/

    One Billion Strong for Donald Trump.

    ....
    The nation of ISRAEL has experienced COOLING in its climate since the 1950's. On a per capita basis they led the world in planting trees and in large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture, reforestation projects as well as for towns. Israel has given us hope that my obviously well informed online friend may well NOT be correct!
     
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    It is obvious that the climate is changing, it always does. And it is in a warming period, just look at glaciers, talk to natives in the north, etc. The climate is in a warming phase and this is where the science is settled.

    But how much is it warming? Where is it warming? What does it mean to be warming? And the critical question, why is it warming? Is it man-made? Complex climate models cannot be duplicated and long-term trends have not spelled the doomsday a lot of advocates warned us about.

    The details are not settled and the complex phenomenon of climate change is not easily discussed or debated.
     
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    Globally, mostly the northern hemisphere.

    A rise in global average surface temperature over decades.

    Currently, CO2 is the only factor that has changed enough to induce the warming we have seen. Climate models are based on heat and chemistry formulas for calculating the change in temperature when more CO2 traps in heat, the suns heat up, etc. Formulas don't predict what happens in real life perfectly but do give us a general idea. These formulas do help us understand what has changed the most and the general impact of that change.
     
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    When talking about climate science, one shouldn't cloud the rumors with facts.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Hundreds of books and papers have been written challenging your catastrophic narrative. Hundreds of them.
    These people are NOT all beholden to those "nasty oil companies" you talk so badly about all the time, before driving in to fill up your car yet again, and before you hop on a commercial jet to fly to vacation or your relatives or college.
    IF it were as factual as the people who have their snouts in the government troughs to the tune of billions of dollars, there could not possibly be hundreds of thousands of scientists of all disciplines challenging the nonsense.

    Science is NOT about consensus. You don't even know that much, because all you can do is repeat what you have heard from those who reap millions in federal funding, and don't want it to stop. They have an axe to grind, and you don't realize that...
    they AREN'T PERFECT! They're greedy humans, just like everybody else.
     
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    ^^^This isn't right. This isn't even wrong. - Wolfgang Pauli

    Did Isaac Newton receive "grants"? How about Galileo? Thomas Edison? Steve Jobs, founder of Apple Computer?
    Microsoft founder Bill Gates? How many government "grants"?

    Science is the discovery of truth. It is unstoppable. It began in the stone age, with the discovery of tools, and fire.

    "All science is wrong and corrupt". That has to be the most absurd, most tortured remark I have ever heard from a Leftist, and that is saying something.


    No, only about 95% of it. Moreover, my neighbor is a chemical engineer at ARCO. They are doing global warming research as well, kowtowing to the so-called "environmentalists". It sickens him but he does as he is ordered to, to provide for his family.

    And now to add you to my Ignore List. I don't want to see any more from you, ever again.
     
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    I really think, slowly but surely,an ice age is coming.
     
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    Starting in the year 2020, which means the Algorites only have 3 years to raise the 15 billion dollars they were demanding.
     
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    Global history shows us this.
     
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    Then, if it does not matter, deforest all of the rainforests, cut down all the trees, just grow crops, for trees and flora are insignificant. We don't need em. But I just do not believe that. Wonder how Freeman Dyson missed what you said? He seems to think differently on this flora subject. Of course, I would question him, if I were arrogant enough. LOL If I were intellectually in his league.
     
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    Strawman argument. Typical.
     
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    Hoosier8, Leftists confuse intellect with wisdom, with common sense. They have been brainwashed by teachers and professors, and lying Democrats who promote race warfare and class warfare. The Leftist pretense that *academics* must be right because they're so smart is simply the Fallacy of the Argument From Authority.

    "Heavier than air flying machines are impossible." - Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1895

    Two bicycle mechanics flew at Kitty Hawk a few years later because they didn't fall for this Falllacy.

    “If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is really true, there would be little hope of advance." - Orville Wright

    Oh, and Orville didn't have a pilot's license. He and his brother were brilliant inventors, and fabricated a propeller that was 97% of optimum.
     
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    Junk science mostly.
     
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    Is it any wonder that snowflakes, Democrats, and other gullible Leftists embrace junk science when they have no idea of what it is?
    Here they are in their own ignorant words:

     
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    The people interviewed were from Michigan, Ohio, Minnesota and Kansas. Of those, only Minnesota voted for Clinton. The rest voted for Trump.

    How ignorant must someone be to post a video that completely refutes their own argument? Pretty ignorant.
     
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    Fossil fuel.funds Universitys more then you know..

    http://www.hcn.org/issues/45.1/oil-and-gas-companies-pour-money-into-research-universities



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