is homosexuality genetic or is it learned behavior?

Because he's not a pervert.

 

First: using words like pervert is derogatory and inflammatory.

Gay men have children with surrogate women. not a big deal. Even heterosexual couples use surrogates...........when the woman can't or choose not to carry a pregnancy.

Think Andy Cohen or Anderson Cooper. They both have families ow.........and make great loving parents.

The family constellation is different now....... and takes many forms.

 

You think.

And I disagree. And since it happens that straight people go into prison and come out in gay relationships ... It's rather convenient for you to simply label them as always being gay.

 

Sure. But the optimal setting is a couple consisting of a man and a woman. Having a single father and single mother as guides and role models for each sex. Parents who's dna is shared with the child creating a bond and a connection beyond love and tenderness.

 

The thread title doesn't make sense.
The only people who identify as gay cannot possibly have "learned the behaviour" if they weren't gay to begin with.

 

Shared DNA doesn’t matter at all. My stepdaughter getting away from her biological father was probably the best thing that could have happened to her. That thinking is left over from obsessions with having a legitimate heir in places like old Europe.

 

yes if they come out and gay they weren't straight to begin with.

that's fair but why do you disagree?

but does it happen though? What is the frequency at which this happened how many people go in straight and come out gay can you give numbers can you show any evidence for this at all?

label who is always being gay these theoretical people that may or may not likely not exist?

I think it's far more likely that a guy that says being with a guy is better than nothing at all is probably not straight. Straight guys in absence of women would probably just be celibate. There wouldn't be any option that's what straight means.

 

I disagree with you. The ideal is that mother and father that care about each other and place the needs of their children above their own.

Since that may be only about 10% of families I don't think we have to worry about the 001% of people that are in a gay couple that want to adopt kids.

I doubt if we let this tiny fraction of people that want to love and care for kids love and care for kids that the world is going to go to hell in a handbasket.

Most married couples hate each other many of them get divorced and that's like a 100% straight people problem.

 

This learned behavior argument normally stems from the belief that homosexuality is wrong.

They have to say it's a learned behavior otherwise there's basically telling you it's wrong that you exist.

They believe through some sort of therapy that does never worked and nobody has ever come up with a method to make it work that people can be talked out of what they're sexually attracted to which to me sounds preposterous.

 

I think this viewpoint that DNA has any kind of importance is myopic. If I found out that my parents adopted me and I really don't have any blood relation to them I might be angry about them lying about it but I wouldn't think that it meant that they love to me any less.

 

Yes and in almost all of those species at least among mammals it is almost always about establishing dominance. Prison sex is a bit more complicated but not much.

Oh and most of the homosexual testimonies I've read sound at best like bad experiences with the opposite sex, and fantasies about the halcyon days of their youth. After all after Kiki Dee is it any wonder that Elton John might have been willing to give men a try? I've a Lesbian cousin. She decided to be a lesbian after two failed marriages to two complete Jerks. Right now I think she's living alone because her taste in women was at least as horrible as her taste in men.

 

I think it can be shown to be genetic by its persistence and cultures that shun it.

If the result of a behavior you learn is that you might be headed or putting for life you would probably unlearn it pretty quick.

I generally don't like comparing human behavior to animals because we're quite a lot more sophisticated than other animals.

 

Parents who care for their children and put their needs over their own is like almost every parent. The hard part is getting the parents to stay together for stability because people these days seem to not know what they want and either pick the wrong partner or start into these relationships too young.

I don't worry about the low percentage who are gay. I just make a statement that they are not optimum compared to everything they are and the only difference being that they are gay. Straight is better.

We need to be re establishing the importance of marriage. Commitment. And teaching eachother how to pick the right partner.

 

The hard part is finding heterosexuals that can provide the ideal. It seems they are ill equipped.

Doesn't seem to be the case I doubt that 10% of straight couples are capable of providing the ideal. As you pointed out they are ill-equipped

 

Half the new threads here are created to attack gays and teachers (teachers are called perverts and abusers too, not just gays), and its a sad sight. It shows how politicians are able to use propaganda to invoke their loyalists to promote their hate-message.

I don't think this kind of aggression helps the Republican party....or maybe it will. They are banking on most people agreeing with anti-gay / teacher language, and we'll have to wait and see if they were right.

 

Are you suggesting that divorce rates are lower with same sex marriages? This is something I would just assume is as volatile as hetero relationships. As what the hell does gay do that makes you stay together?

Ok so googled it to see and this was the first hit;
https://www.danddfamilylaw.com/same-sex-marriage-divorce-rates/

SAME SEX MARRIAGE DIVORCE RATES: DIVORCE RATE AMONG SAME SEX COUPLES

This page breaks down a bit more of a nuanced and complicated outlook.

https://pridelegal.com/gay-marriages-divorce/
"Some same-sex couples divorce at a rate lower than heterosexual couples, yet some divorce at higher rates. When comparing gay marriages to straight marriages, the data shows that gay people typically stay together longer and divorce less. When comparing heterosexual marriages to lesbian marriages, however, the rate of divorce doubles to 30%. Researchers are studying why lesbian couples are statistically more prone to divorce, but, the data is hard to come by. Massachusetts, the first state to legalize same-sex marriage in the United States, legalized same-sex marriage in 2003, but the Supreme Court only legalized same-sex marriage at the national level in 2015. Therefore, more time and more research are necessary before we can draw meaningful conclusions."

So gay men couples are lower. Lesbian couples are higher. That's curious.

Ok got any other theories?

 

That was precisely my point. And note you are.more like be called brave than to be ostracized.

 

No. I'm suggesting the number of broken families because of gay couples divorcing is extraordinarily low.

Nothing, they just don't **** over their kids by ruining their homelife because most gay couples don't have children.

Screwing kids out of the ideal is almost totally the fault of heterosexuals.

 

In our culture yes.

 

Oof. Ok so again. Optimal outcome means a couple HAS children because society needs it's populace to procreate at a rate that can REPLACE the population without seeking outside assistance or depending on immigration from other populations that may or may not share it's values. That's optimal for societies to sustain and not die off or severely alter over time.

 

i don’t think divorce rates have much to do with anything either. Sometimes a divorce of the parents could be the best thing that happens to a child if it gets them out of an abusive situation.

ultimately, I think that all that really matters is how much love the child is receiving. Marital status, gender, etc etc, doesn’t ultimately mean much. If the child is happy and loved, then that will result in a well balanced child. Same sex parents married for life could be far worse for the child if the parents have a bad relationship and it results in a less loving environment for the child.

 

Divorce is never optimal to a couple that displays love towards the mom and dad, teaching the children through example how to love someone else as well as stability of having a designated home. But I do agree in a lot of instances, people ****ed up hard in who they thought they loved that divorce is the best thing for that family.

But if I take two families where all else is the same yet one stayed together while one didn't...which one did you think was optimal?

 

Yet another thing the ideal is dropping the ball on.

 

Nope. It's just logical. If culture A keeps having to borrow from culture B but culture B has some radically different values then culture A...culture A will eventually morph or become more like culture B. That's just a simple numbers game.

For long term survival of the culture remaining as is, it should have the ability to replace itself and only turn to immigration from other cultures in a selective manner.

If the entire world were the same culture or ideology that of which couldn't replace itself, we just die off.

Simple math.

 

But divorce does happen though no matter if both parents love the child. For instance, if the father of the child has an affair with another person, then how does the wife, mother of the child, trust her husband, father of the child. The reason, poeple get divorced, not because of the child, but because of a lot of other factors, whether at fault or not at fault divorce. And yet, both parents love the child, just not to their spouse for one reason or another.