Is homosexuality "normal"?

I don't believe being gay is a choice but I don't believe that it's "normal", as in nature designed people to be homosexual, transgender, etc

Just like I don't believe that autism is normal or that in an ideal world people would be born autistic. Obviously people don't "choose" to be born autistic and shouldn't be considered inferior just because of an abnormality in their birth, but at the same time I'd say it's pretty ridiculous to equate bigotry with not believing that homosexuality is "normal".

Even being against homosexual sex technically isn't being "against homosexuals" since it's being against a specific activity, rather than against the existence of individuals who have those urges.

This is why the LGBT movement loses credibility with the masses, since like most PC movements they just resort to throwing around the "hate" and "bigotry" card (despite their own bigotries) until the boy has cried wolf too many times.

 

What is "normal" is irrelevant. A person who lives in a city wearing cowboy boots and hats isn't "normal" either. It's not normal to be a Jehovah's Witness either.

It's a simple question of personal frieedom and equal treatment under the law. Whether a person's conduct is normal or not is fully irrelevant.

 

It's not normal. Men and women become homosexual when being straight doesn't allow their lifestyle.

I.e. Men who want to feel loved, women who REALLY want a career...

Of course it's all futile, but there's no reason to be cruel to anyone just because they are homosexual.

 

Homosexuality exists but is not preferred in nature. I would call it a normal aberration.

 

The problem is that "not normal" can mean different, unique and original or it can mean abnormal, flawed and wrong. It's undeniable that some of the people who make a big thing about homosexuality being "not normal" are leaning towards the latter and indeed using the non-specific terminology to shadow their intentions and to be able to silence any challenges.

Anyway, I'd have to ask "So what?". Does it really make any practical difference whether homosexuality is deemed normal or not (by whatever definition) and unless it does, what's the motive behind bringing up the concept at all?

Being against homosexual sex is no different to being against praying. It's fine if it just means you'll choose not to do it, it's different if you seek to prevent others who feel differently from doing so.

As for the so-called LGBT movement, there are certainly far too many people who push back against very real discrimination to hard and in the wrong directions but it's not as if there aren't just as many people opposing them on the same flawed grounds. That also doesn't automatically mean any of the principles and concepts behind their extremes are fundamentally wrong. When the boy cried wolf, there was no wolf in that field at that time, but wolves still exist.

 

Nature doesn't design anything. Nature doesn't have opinions, goals, designs, or intent, it just is.

If you want intentional design, I suggest the door on your left, marked "Religion".

I think you care all too much about what is 'normal'. So what if it's not technically 'normal'? Neither is eating pickled herring, but there are not movements to restrict the rights of those who eat pickled herring, and parts of the world where those people are killed on sight.

You're trying to claim that there is not persecution of gay people?

Frankly, I don't think you actually believe that. You know perfectly well that there is plenty of hatred and bigotry against gay people. So what other motive do you have for making that claim, I wonder?

 

Are saying there is no hatred towards straight people from the gays?

 

Well, the word "normal" is so subjective that it is nearly meaningless outside of context. I'll explain. A Muslim person is perfectly normal within a largely Islamic culture, however it is not normal within a largely Christian, or Hindu culture. Thus the term is quite relative.

Fair enough, but the term "normal" is meaningless outside of context.
Not believing homosexuality is normal compared to what?

Sex isn't homosexual, only people are.

Well, I do see too much progressivism in the movement. And progressive is just another word for fascist. It isn't enough for some people to live and let live, it's necessary to attack people that disagree. Which I find that to be quite irritating. Some people believe seeking homosexual relationships is wrong, I don't really take issue with that, I think it's wrong to think that way, but there we have the live and let live philosophy. As I have fought for the ability to be left alone, I think it's necessary to practice what I preach.

The push to force agreement is what seems to be the major crux of the lgbt rights movement.

 

I doubt it's toward hetersexuality, more like toward people who don't view homosexuality as normal. It's really quite silly to waste energy on hating people that disagree with you. But some folks are silly. What can you do?

 

Not the same thing, I was talking biologically normal.

 

if its so abnormal, it wouldn't continue exist.

there may be some advantage to the human species, to having 10% of our society being Gay.

 

It is actually very common in nature

 

Whether you call it "designed" or simply it's innate design as it is shouldn't make a difference here (unless you're saying that atheism automatically implies nihilism).

I'm talking abnormal in the same way that autism is considered a developmental abnormality.

Oh I'm sure some gays have been persecuted - I definitely don't compare not being allowed to get a marriage license to what was methodically done to Jews in Nazi Germany though, especially considering that many gays don't even want to get a marriage license now that they legally can (as is the case with straights too).

 

Define normal

With nearly 50% of females in some societies admitting to at least a bi-sexual tendency, then subtract the a-sexual and it may be more "normal" to be gay than not.

 

Why does autism exist though if that's the case - I don't believe that nature designed people to be born autistic.

I actually heard the opposite, that if there was a "gay gene" it would've died off long ago because it's non-reproductive - but instead homosexuality's main biological cause is actually over exposure to testosterone or estrogen during development.

 

homosexuality isn't normal, its abnormal. The issue lies when gays try to force people to believe otherwise when they are the ones who cant accept that it is abnormal. I personally don't hate gays at all, their gayness doesn't affect me in anyway.....up until they want to start forcing their views on me, then it does, and then I have a serious problem. So be gay, I don't care, but don't push it in my face and attempt to tell me I need to accept it as normal.

 

Your 'belief' and that which science has shown to be so... are not the same things.

If YOU decide that being or acting "gay" is not for you, per se... then you must take that on for what it is. But be certain, there is a stark difference between that which you "believe" and what study and research has determined in the most comprehensive manner known to mankind.

Anyone can respect that you have a 'personal' opinion... but the peer reviewed scientific research is surely up to the complex task of challenging what your opinions may suggest.

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A person's sexual orientation, is in no way a "lifestyle"?

(Where did you learn that?)

 

Great points, well stated!!

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Never thought and never will think that it is normal. Personally I am against all those "Parades" grown hairy men who walk in thongs "feeling free" is not a way to get homosexuals their rights. Then again, I do not care who is gay or not, I just don't want to get it in my face. They should of course have all the same right as heterosexuals have, And honestly in majority of countries they do have. I personally know gay people that live in Serbia and have normal jobs and they are normal human beings without having the need to "be in your face" with their sexuality. Sure there are people who are against that, but there will always be people who are against something, the only thing I think needs to be fought is against laws that are made to give them less rights.

No need for parades and idiotic things like that, it will only make the situation worse "We normal against them gays"

 

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If nothing else is gleaned from the large amount of existing scientific data concerning "homosexuality"... it should be that those people who happen to be 'homosexual', should NOT be discriminated against or marginalized, in any way(s).

 

There you go. It's not any more "normal" than trying to screw two lug-nuts together. But if you choose to try, fine with me. I'll see you when the tire falls off.

 

My layman's view is this:

It's normal enough to be very COMMON in human beings.

It's no 'disease'.

People don't consciously choose their sexual-orientation.


And what concerns me most, are the judgement values some people ascribe to other people's HUMAN conditions. Some even go so far as to make fun of people's looks; things they cannot change/help.

In essence, I have about zero tolerance for those who intend to be intolerant of homosexual people. By the same token, I don't care for the 'rare' occurrences where any gay person seeks to demean or oppress straight people.

Bottom line is:

If people are using any of what's 'different' (in their view) about homosexuals to marginalize or discriminate against them... then the greatest issues are WITHIN the instigator of such irrational animus and certainly NOT homosexual people themselves.

It's time to just swat down the bigoted BS. Enough of that damaging and useless nonsense.

 

Albinos are not the norm.. but they are natural... same with homosexuals

 

No, I know they don't. But the 'normal' condition is a penis and a vagina. And, as Paul Rodriguez used to say, "my anus is for exiting", although it probably doesn't need to be said by me. I don't think that means I'm intolerant, even a little bit.

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Natural but not normal. That works for me. I'm 6'4". That's not the norm, either.

 

Is homosexuality normal?

Yes.

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