Is Neo[Atheism] a Rational Religion?

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  1. Jolly Penguin

    Jolly Penguin Well-Known Member

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    Btw,

    What would "legitimate response" or "illegitimate response" even mean? Shrugging your shoulders is a response. So is grunting or walking away. So is saying you don't know the answer to a yes/no question. So is answering a yes/no question yes or no.

    What makes any of these "legitimate" or not?
     
  2. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    He's the only one on the forums arguing that it is impossible to not know the answer to a T/F question, and not even he is consistent about that.
     
  3. Jolly Penguin

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    I think you will find a few pages from now he will deny that and claim he was just stating YOUR position back at you and showing it to be absurd. He will claim it was you who claimed what he did, and that is why he is now being purposefully cryptic in everything he writes, and why he will never answer direct questions or attempt to clarify anything whatsoever.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    It doesnt help my opponents to debate truthfully either!

    Its 100% a false characterization and dishonest to change this:
    to this:
    Then you continue by accusing me of:
    then you call me a troll because I dont accept lies as a valid response.
    All the while its you and yardmeat debating in bad faith as proven here:
    I have demanded a citation for close to 300 posts that such an allowance exists in a binary T/F logic system.

    Neither a citation nor concession has been given to validate yardmeatisms "I dont know" is a perfectly fine response to a T/F proposition, to allow us to move the thread to move on by either you or yardmeat, so by your own definition you are BOTH trolling and debating in bad faith.

    The only real question here is how many times are you 2 going to continue to double down on false characterizations and your made up logic rules and definitions.

    Oh and of course insisting I am a troll for crimes you commit by your own definition!
     
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  5. yardmeat

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    You haven't provided a single source that supports your claims.

    Do you know the answer to every T/F question, as you are claiming now, or do you not know the answer to some of them, as you have claimed in the past? This isn't "yardmeatism." Everyone but you understands that there are T/F questions that we don't know the answer to. Everyone. Even (sometimes) you.
     
  6. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Yep as predicted, doubling down again with more false characterizations!
    Major insult to intelligent debate!
     
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  7. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    It isn't a false characterization. You said it isn't allowed to not know the answer to a T/F question. You are the one who made that claim, and you alone. So either you do know the answer to every T/F question or you are wrong. There are no other options.
     
  8. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    I said prove it! More false characterizations from you SSDD

    YOUR CLAIM!

    YOU PROVE THAT A True/False proposition is TRINARY

    Not very good at this are you! Adding "I dont know" to the equation as you did means 3 responses can you add to 3?

    Thats trinary, not binary.
     
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  9. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    and continuing with that same nutterville logic adding "I need more information" that you posted is quaternary.

    Trinary and Quaternary are NOT BINARY except of course if we want to apply nutterville logic.

    Can those who wish to have an honest debate move it along now?
     
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  10. yardmeat

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    Bivalent. Bi VALENT. That's a word you pretended to know earlier. Prove that you know the answer to every True/False question, otherwise you are admitting that you have no interest in an honest debate.
     
  11. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    STRAWMAN!

    hahahaha Now hes up to Quinary, quinary is NOT BINARY!

    [​IMG]

    Thanks for the laugh!
     
  12. yardmeat

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    Bivalent. Bivalent. And just because a fact is binary doesn't mean you know which. Koko #1 knows this. Koko #2 is pretending not to. And I can only assume there is more than one of you because you can't keep your story straight.
     
  13. Kokomojojo

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    STRAWMAN!

    [​IMG]

    Thanks for the laugh!

    This is too ****ing funny easy as shoot ducks with their head stuck in the end of the barrel! LMAO

    I guess we need to take the fake logic teachers on this board to school! LOL

    Trinary logic is three-level digital logic, with states represented by the numbers -1, 0, and 1. Alternatively, the three states can be represented by the numbers 0, 1, and 2.
    https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/trinary


    What is Bivalence philosophy?

    / (baɪˈveɪləns, ˈbɪvə-) / noun. logic philosophy the semantic principle that there are exactly two truth values, so that every meaningful statement is either true or false.

    Bivalence Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
    https://www.dictionary.com › browse › bivalence


    Lets see, there is true, false, and yardmeats "I DONT KNOW"!
    True = 1
    False = 2
    "I dont know" = 3
    Trivalent!


    Trivalent answer to a bivalent proposition!

    Hey bird that means we have tribivalance in the land of yardmeatisms oz.

    It was entertaining at first but this stupidity being foisted on us is getting a bit old.

    ("Bi" means two.) All the numbers are constructed from the two digits 0 and 1. A digit in binary (that's a 0 or a 1) is also called a bit – short for binary digit. Computers use this number system to add, subtract, multiply, divide and do all their other math and data.

    Wikijunior:How Things Work/Binary Numbers - Wikibooks

    https://en.wikibooks.org › wiki › Binary_Numbers

    First time I every run across a clueless logic teacher!
     
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  14. yardmeat

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    Thanks for finding yet another source that doesn't back up your position. BiVALENT. BiVALENT. Meaning having one of two possible VALUES. You already admitted before that "I don't know" ISN'T A THIRD ****ING VALUE. You'd understand this if you had looked at the starts/galaxy example. The number of stars in the galaxy is either even or odd. That's bivalent. If you don't KNOW, and you ****ing don't, then that's okay, BUT THAT DOESN'T INTRODUCE A THIRD ****ING VALUE. Why do you insist on making up such nakedly dishonest bullshit?
     
  15. Kokomojojo

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    Thanks for finally admitting that "I dont know" IS NOT VALID RESPONSE TO A BINARY PROPOSITION!

    YAY!

    BRAVO, One for the history books! Glad you finally figured your error out.
     
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  16. yardmeat

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    Bivalent. Not binary. And, yes, there are people who don't know the answer to some bivalent propositions. You've admitted to being one of them. Glad you finally figured your error out.
     
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  17. Kokomojojo

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    and the charade continues
    Oh?
    Bi valent is not binary huh?
    The dictionary says it is!
    This is ****ing hilarious!

    What is Bivalence philosophy?

    / (baɪˈveɪləns, ˈbɪvə-) / noun. logic philosophy the semantic principle that there are exactly two truth values, so that every meaningful statement is either true or false.

    Bivalence Definition & Meaning | Dictionary.com
    https://www.dictionary.com › browse › bivalence


    Sorry the definition of Bivalent DOES NOT INCLUDE "I DONT KNOW!" LMAO

    "I dont know" is obviously NOT PERFECTLY FINE! LMAO
     
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  18. yardmeat

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    BiVALENT refers to two truth values. One of those is "True" and the other is "False." "I don't know" isn't an additional truth value, as you've already admitted. BiNARY refers to two numerical values.

    Maybe try reading some of these sources that you link to (when you aren't hiding them). You'll learn something.
     
  19. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    thanks again for admitting your "I dont know" response is not a legitimate response!
     
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    You still aren't comprehending.
    Which of these simple truths are you in capable of understanding?
    • T/F questions exist
    • T/F questions are, in objective reality, either True or they are False (these are the truth values that you can't comprehend)
    • Just because a question HAS a bivalent answer doesn't mean that you KNOW the answer (this is, again, something you've already admitted)
    And this is rich coming from someone who has argued for several years that "I don't know" IS a "legitimate response."
     
  21. Kokomojojo

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    bullshit quote it.
    Itwould be a bald faced lie that because I claim to be agnostic that I use the infantile stupidity you posted as a source.

    You have 2 valid responses
    1)True
    2)False

    You admitted your response is not valid.
    Sorry pal, not my problem.
     
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  22. yardmeat

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    The fact that you are agnostic proves that you don't actually believe what you say below.

    When you are given the T/F question about whether or not God exists, you say you don't know. I'm sorry, but your incapacity for consistency isn't my problem. And it isn't like this is the first example.
     
  23. Kokomojojo

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    ONLY in response to professor dodge, teacher extraordinaire, to prove how ****ing stupid and logically illegal "I dont know" actually is. :winner:

    I do think its comical how you insist on embarrassing yourself by not only posting but constantly doubling down on misrepresentations though.
     
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    You have not demonstrated that it is "illegal" to not know the answer to a question. You've claimed yourself to not know the answers to some questions.
     
  25. Kokomojojo

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    I posted the definition which states you have 2 choices, you think you have 3, that is a demonstration DUH
     

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