Is Putin really a bad guy? 88% of Russians like Putin.

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Silliness on Steroids the last thing Putin wants is an arms race that he cannot help but lose.
     
  2. Johnny Brady

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    Russia is on the other side of the planet from America, so why do you see Putin as a threat?
    As Don refreshingly said about Vlad- "He says nice things about me, so I say nice things about him"..:)
    What a contrast to this scaredy-cat little lefty granny's attitude to Putin-

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  3. FoxHastings

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    Be prepared for a continuing onslaught by traitors to turn Putin into a combination of Mother Theresa, Norman Rockwell, and Abe Lincoln.........afterall, Trump wants him to run this country...
     
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    From a Russian point of view, Putin may be the best thing for that country since sex and peanut butter. From our or others point of view, we may look at Putin as a really bad man, someone who needs to be reigned in. It's like how a lot of Republicans and Democrats look at each other, evil they are in one or the other eyes.
     
  5. Genius

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    Yes. Putin is a monster. But starting a war with Russia is not the way to deal with him. Upfront diplomacy with Russia while shining a light on their actions to their people is the way to go.
    As far as fighting terror, we should fight side by side with the Russians.
    The democrats and hawking republicans are looking for war, Trump is not.
     
  6. MVictorP

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    What part was false, Tom?

    Holocaust-denial laws are a reality in the occident. And like I wrote some zealous, easily-offended people are working double shifts so that the same kind of laws would be applied in the US.
     
  7. Johnny Brady

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    Trump wants to make America great again, so who on earth would have a beef with that except America's home-grown lefty enemies?..;)
     
  8. Kode

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    A "dictatorship"???
    Egad.


    Riiiiiiight. The right doesn't lie and follow their party bosses like lemmings, eh? LOL!!! Case in point.
    And explain to me in rational terms why the left would say Putin is a "dictatorship" if Russia is communist/socialist. Try to avoid the simple-minded answer that "the left is poorly informed and confused and says contradictory things all the time".


    Yeah, just like when 88% of Germans liked Hitler and voted for him.


    You must be listening to Breitbart. There definitely was evidence of Russia involved in the hack!!

    I can't believe you people.
     
  9. MVictorP

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    Yep - as a society we're quick to point out how much our military and economic competitors are being autocratic, authoritarian and not free etc, while we are ourselves becoming a corrupted police-state, obsessed with control, a false sense of security, as well as being plutocracies.

    Voltaire was right: Find the one you ain't allowed to criticize and you'll found out who really rules.
     
  10. Kode

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    amazing. Have you all taken leave of your senses????? Or are you all just willing parrots for your handlers? First Putin ordering an assassination doesn't prove his "love of Russia"!! It proves his fear of the "proven traitor"!!

    And to compare an assassination of a reporter to the killing of bin Laden is wayyyyyyyy over the top!!

    Somebody accused the left of saying whatever fits their agenda. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. PARTIZAN1

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    It's not only the left that knows Putin is evil and a dictator. What you see lately with the Trumpeizdas drooling and kissing the butt of Putin is an anomaly because of the fact that the Russians hacked into a US political party's site and the implication that Russia influenced the election. Trumpeizdas just like LICE Trump have an over exaggerated ego and just the allegation or suggestion that someone helped LICE get elected causes Trumpeizdas to act likecSnowflakes. So instead of condemning our enemy Russia the Trumpeizda Snowflakes attack anyone who tells the truth - the truth is that Russia attempted to influence our election.

    Do you have any proof that only the left lies? Or is that just a statement that you decided to fart out of your mouth?
     
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    In addition to lots of excellent responses here, I just wanted to add a few points:

    1. The Russians absolutely do not trust the anonymity of surveys (and for good reasons too), they won't criticize their totalitarian government out of fear that it may end up on their FSB record and be used against them at some point of time, ruin their careers or worse.

    2. There is no free media in Russia left, they are bombarded by pro-Putin propaganda 24/7, basically they are hopelessly brainwashed.

    3. The Russians from their birth are brought up on the concept of the greatness and victimhood of Russia and the sacrifice for the "motherland". They will take "dirt poor but feared, proud and important" Russia over the opposite any day and that's what Putin gave them.

    4. Stalin had a much higher approval rating, basically due to the #1,2,3 above. That did not make him a good guy, did it?
     
  13. FoxHastings

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    Anyone with an education in world history.


    Has your god said exactly what "great " means? No, he hasn't........he's saving that as a surprise for the gullible :)
     
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    Careful! Don has got powerful friends "up there"..:)

    Jesus said- "And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered" (Matt 10:30)
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    No worries dude, with Putin's help we got rid of the libs in the White House, lest we forget that the rest of the world was trying to influence our election on Hillary's behalf but that does not seem to bother you one iota. Anyway, now that we'll have serious, pragmatic, decisive people running the country in less than a month, Putin's time of reckoning is approaching fast. The libs have completely failed to rein in Putin, don't you agree?
     
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    You Trumpettes are being played for fools by Putin. He is a spymaster-in-chief!! He knows what he's doing and you can't see through it. You really think Russia is suddenly different, flipped!! Flipped into a new role of a nice friend that we can trust. The gullibility is shocking.

    And just a few short months ago you were thrashing the left for being "unpatriotic".
     
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    :) I knew you couldn't define "great" either......

    Quoting Jesus in defense of evil....amazing....
     
  18. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I like to see what everyone has to say on this topic because I am still trying to fully understand how Russia works myself. I see now that I was wrong. I guess Putin really is a dictator. Well said and thank you.
     
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    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Everyone has changed my mind. My understanding of Russia is not what I thought it was. I am starting to view Putin as an evil person who want's to total power over his people. Thanks to everyone for your responses and giving me a better understanding of Putin.
     
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    Unbelievable, right?
    Trump kisses up to Putin and all of a sudden the Trumpettes are Putin's biggest cheerleaders.
    Hey - Trump also admires Kim Jong-un.
     
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    Try again. Your own response undermines your claim.
     
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    You are welcome. Not so much on my behalf, but on behalf of the many people who posted documentary evidence of who the man is.

    Vladimir Putin rose through the Secret Police. As deputy to the mayor of St Petersburg, he presided over the systematic looting of Russian "privatization" efforts.

    He took that act to Moscow and maneuvered himself into a position as Boris Yeltsin's right hand man, and then proceeded to throw his new boss under the bus.

    He is a modern day Tsar. He is every bit as ambitious and bent on conquest as Stalin was.

    Trump is playing right into his hands.

    There is little doubt that Putin's ultimate aim is the restore Russia to the head of an empire that stretches from the German border to the Pacific, restoring the Soviet Union, or the Russian Empire.

    And Donald Trump is stupid enough to play into his agenda.
     
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    I go back and forth with this question you ask.

    I could only answer that question if I have spent enough time there.
     
  24. MVictorP

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    And this is the guy that tries to make me pass as an extremist.

    :alcoholic:
     
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    WTF is this crap? We have been doing business with MUCH worse in China. Are we sanctioning them? When did Obama cut trade relations when they seized land that didn't belong to them? The hacking?

    You're a hypocrite.

    Make up your mind. Do business with countries that spy on us (just as much as we spy on them) or go to war with them. You don't realize it yet but you look ridiculous with this "Tsar" argument when China is sitting there with an Emperor.
     

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