Is Russia and French bombing doctrine "stronger" than Obama's.....not really.

Obama and the US Military have a strict doctrine on engaging ISIS, that is too avoid collateral damage and civilian causalities. Also, close air support to allies is important as well.
http://www.worldtribune.com/u-s-air...s-of-engagement-french-russians-turn-up-heat/

“Our air campaign, since it began, has been the most restrictive in terms of rules of engagement that we have ever entered into in the last 25 years,” said Jack Keane, a retired Army four-star general who now chairs the Institute for the Study of War.
“This has been largely due to the White House’s insistence that there be zero civilian casualties, at the behest of the president.”
The Pentagon has confirmed that just one in four of all U.S. aerial missions actually dropped bombs or fired missiles.
President Barack Obama’s rules of engagement have “largely foreclosed our hitting moving targets in a timely manner,” said Gen. Keane, “because our pilots have to go through multiple levels of clearances, and eventually the target is lost.
“With fixed-site targets, if there are any civilians in the area, permission is usually denied, despite the fact that America has the best proven ability in the world to hit targets near civilian areas without hurting civilians.”

The Russians have began a larger approach. That is using dumber unguided bombs to flatten entire ISIS civilian centers. And judging by France's pissed off attitude....they have started doing this.

But will it work? RT says it will, despite so many lengthy criticism of US bombing policies of that failed. There is the argument of "Oh we should kill all the damn "innocent" civilians." Really?

Remember the Germans in the Battle of Britian? Mass bombing attacks and the British used the attacks to boost morale and unity. The British simply created backup bases and hidden modes of transportation. It became nothing but a futile attempt. Or remember the Battle of Stalingrad? The Germans in the first month of the battle destroyed the city completely. The Soviets still held on in tunnels and bombed out shelters. The Germans then sent there ground troops and the Soviets still won the battle. Also the US bombing of the Germans had limited effect especially firebombing of civilians which pretty much didn't work at all according to Albert Speer. And there is the futile bombing attempt on North Vietnam which was an utter failure. Many bombs just missed their targets and had no effects.

People need to realize the US doesn't do limited bomb drops because its nice to civilians(well not the main reason)...it does it because mass drops of bombs is a waste of money and time because hitting civilian targets doesn't work Modern bombs are guided and there is no point saturation of JDAMs. Many other countries do no enjoy these technologies with vast quantities. And there is zero point in trying to do a "genocide by air" because its nearly impossible.

Even if we dropped every single bomb on every single frigging ISIS held building, ISIS will likely hold on, and likely ISIS will have much more recruits. ISIS wants this. They attack Paris for us to overreact so we will do something irrational. (like 9/11 when we invaded Iraq)

Stop the gung-ho "Go get em France!" and "Yeah Putin, bombs better than Obama" BS.

There is also the nuclear option on ISIS. But France and Russia have not gone nuclear. Until then, I won't really take their military campaigns seriously.

 

We saw it recently in Afghanistan when were civilian is killed.
We also know, during one year in fight of the USA against ISIS - the territory controlled by ISIS constantly were increased. The US bombed in the majority, probably where that in the desert therefore civil people from the American bombs, suffered a little. But Civil people in a huge number suffered from ISIS. Also we know lot of weapon which the US gave to moderate opposition, incidentally, too fell into hands of ISIS. It is not American fault.


The Russian President Vladimir Putin plays an important role in fight against terrorism and Islamic extremism and is the only defender of a Christian civilization. "When I look at a situation in the world, I am convinced that the Russian president Vladimir Putin — the only defender of a Christian civilization on whom it is possible to rely" — Bashar al-Assad in interview told.


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Massive attack by planes of Distant aircraft on objects of infrastructure of IGIL in Syria

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Since the beginning of operation in Syria, by Russia...destroy - 4111 objects, 562 command points, 64 camps of training of terrorists, 54 warehouses on production of the weapon, 300 warehouses with ammunition, 808 strong points etc Are destroyed. it allowed the Syrian army to move on all fronts...


The Russian military satellites in a conflict zone.

 

How frightening is it that communist and socialists are taking the lead on fighting ISIS.

 

Jack Keane knows what he is talking about as opposed to the amateur armchair critics.

 

what do you mean?

 

You really don't know anything about WWII or Vietnam. Britain survived the bombing because they were resupplied by America not because bombing failed, bombing brought Britain to the brink of surrender. Germany attempted to stop America from keeping the British supplied by using the submarine wolfpacks. Fortunately for us all America simply produced too much and made too many ships for German subs to stop them all.

Russia employed the same strategy they used to defeat Napoleon, they knew Hitler who was literally crazy for opening a two front war and that the German supply lines would get too stretched out and become vulnerable if Russia retreated and employed a scorched earth tactic by destroying everything as they retreated. Stalin was smart enough to know that he had lots of land to the east and located his production facilities in eastern Russia far away from the front lines.

Finally in Vietnam U.S. politics both foreign and domestic prevented us from attacking the source of NVA supplies and reinforcements, Loas and Cambodia. I know quite a bit about this because my father was a Misty, Misty was a top secret operation using FACs (forward or fast air controller) to spot high value targets in Loas and Cambodia as well as North Vietnam for attack. So the NVA had an area from which it was free from molestation to resupply and attack from. Politics prevented waging war because of a line on a map. Our scumbag politicians sent our boys to their deaths with no intention of actually winning.

You cannot win a war you are unwilling to commit to winning. The carpet bombing campaigns of WWII in Germany were quite successful and the key to victory and saving allied lives. One of the key resources we destroyed with those campaigns was Germany's key synthetic oil production facilities. The destruction of those facilities was the beginning of the end. The fact is, of the two options considered to defeat Japan one involved the carpet bombing strategy employed in Germany.