Is Systemic or Institutional Racism still a thing?

If the judicial system disfavors men and favors women then it is sexist. Do you get the concept?

A more sophisticated argument from the right is any help given to a specific minority is racist because it excludes non-members of that minority. It is the easy way to dismiss any attempts at equity. It also depends how broadly you define racism. Racism is generally defined as race bigotry. Bigotry is defined as prejudice against a person or group. So it is a negative attitude towards a race. What the right likes to call racist, say hiring quotas, is seen by most non-righties as a positive that outweighs the negative in righting an injustice; therefore it does not fit the definition of racism. Hiring quotas are not prejudiced against any race they are assisting a race to right a wrong.

Again with the racist, blacks live in crime ridden squalor? Here is the financial breakdown of the Black community and they hardly live in squalor. At least one party accepts them as equal partners and their ideas are listened to and brought to the table, that is maybe why they are overwhelmingly Democrats.

 

Ay, dios mio! What century do you live in? And do you know any Black people? People that call themselves African Americans are racists? Obama was a Marxist? Wow, pretty far out stuff.

I do not see everything through the lens of race, but race is kinda the thread's point you responded to and I'm aware, like the white race, blacks don't agree on everything but nearly all agree on the continued presence of racism in America which the right poo-poos.

 

I did not use the word "Republican". I'm uninformed? At one time there were moderate and liberal Republicans that have since been purged from the party.

 

Republicans are on the right and you know it.

You're referring to the big lie about the party switch that never happened.

Although it was a pretty convenient way for the Democratic party to project their racism on to the other side

 

You didn't explain how math favors whites. I am confused about the point you are trying to make.

Quotes taken out of context mean little, aside from you trying to use them as a weapon.

I looked at one quote of Kendi's you used and the closest was: “Standardized tests have become the most effective racist weapon ever devised to objectively degrade Black minds and legally exclude their bodies” It was in an essay on how racists used poor test performance to promote a racial hierarchy putting blacks at the bottom. Labeling them as unintelligent and the race therefore inferior, still used today by the way. He goes on about the history of black educational opportunities or lack of....but that is beside the point. Quotes without context often lie.

 

Yeah, Lincoln the right-winger. You seem to believe there is a conspiracy among American historians....ever heard of Rockefeller Republicans?

 

Now we can add mind reading to your list of fanciful imagination things that you have going on.

Everyone knows it was the Democratic party that opposed the civil Rights movement.

But I know just keep believing in the party switch fantasy it's better than believing your own party was the historical racist

 

Everyone knows? Wrong again. Maybe it's a belief in your niche of the far right web, but here is how the 64' Civil Rights Act vote went. It was the north vs the south. In the north Republicans and Democrats voted for it and in the south both parties voted against it. Southern Republicans and Democrats opposed the civil rights movement.

 

I'm an expert on the subject. Just because there is a statistical difference in outcomes does not mean that men or women have been "disfavored" Do you get the concept?

It's actually a very simple concept, and it's not from the "right", it's matter of US law. In our system Government cannot exclude folks from benefits due to race. "Judge halts Biden’s $4B financial aid program for farmers of color" https://nypost.com/2021/06/12/judge-halts-bidens-4b-aid-program-for-farmers-of-color/

Joe Biden, who appears to be our dumbest president, somehow managed to spend 20% of the nation's existence in federal office and remain wholly ignorant of our Constitutional Liberal Democracy. As dumb as Joe Biden is, his legal team appears to be even dumber. They have lost more cases, faster, for attempting to do illegal and unconstitutional things, than any US Administration in history. I've never seen an Administration lose in court more than Dumb Dumb Biden and his legal clowns. When is the last time they won a case? I can't recall any off the top of my head.

Again with the "right" and "left" crap. This is a matter of US law. The Supreme Court's decision in Ricci v. DeStefano (2009) states clearly and decisively that employment law only rarely permits quotas to remedy racial imbalance. In this case the employer deliberately passed over folks who scored the best on hiring exams deliberately so that they could hire folks of a different race than those that had the best test scores.

Justice Kennedy, writing for the majority rejected arguments that the City did not discriminate. They absolutely DID discriminate by passing over the best performers because they were of the "disfavored" skin color. He stated they engaged in "express, race-based decision-making" (i.e., disparate treatment/intentional discrimination) when it declined to certify the examination results because of the statistical disparity based on race — "i.e., how minority candidates had performed when compared to white candidates".

The employer used testing standards for hiring and then threw out the results when they didn't like the racial makeup of the folks that had the highest scores, essentially consistent with your claims. The Court ruled against them, and not recently, this was a dozen years ago.

So you're point is that "everything is fine" in Democrat run cities and the blacks are well represented by those that run these cities?

You keep pointing the finger at the "right", but "Rochester is joined by 11 other cities that broke homicide records this year, according to ABC News, including: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Toledo, Ohio; Columbus, Ohio; Baton Rouge, Louisiana; Austin, Texas; Louisville, Kentucky; St. Paul, Minnesota; Portland, Oregon; Tucson, Arizona; Albuquerque, New Mexico. All 12 cities are led by Democratic mayors."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/12-major-cities-break-homicide-records

 

And since that time, the Republican Party has gained larger black support! Go figure!

 

Now you're contradicting your initial claim you realize that right?

 

No. Its not sexist if the reason is that men commit 90% of the crimes. Laws against rape arent sexist because it disfavors men who are committing most of the rapes. And yet this is the logic CRT applies to blacks and crime.

 

Well this is right up this thread's alley...

Two major real estate search engines nix crime data in racial equity push

Realtor.com has removed crime data from its website, and Redfin has decided not to add it out of concerns that it could perpetuate racial inequity.

David Doctorow, the CEO of Realtor.com, said in a company update this week that the crime map layer has been removed from all search results on the website “to rethink the safety information we share on Realtor.com and how we can best integrate it as part of a consumer’s home search experience.”

Doctorow said the removal was part of a company effort to “level the playing field” and scrutinize what safety means to buyers and renters so that it can “reimagine how we integrate safety data” on the platform. Realtor.com has been collaborating with fair housing advocates as part of the initiative.

“At this time of complexity in real estate, our team has been energized by our purpose to simplify real estate choices, especially for first-time homebuyers,” he wrote. “Yet we keep bumping up against one very old and persistent problem: the ability to afford and own a home can be unjustly limited by one’s race, ethnicity, or other personal characteristics.”

So by providing less information to the prospective homebuyer, this should go a long way to equalize the divergence in property values in black neighborhoods.


Equity achieved!

 

Bogus point (new catch phrase)..."Just because there is a statistical difference in outcomes does not mean that men or women have been 'disfavored' ". That is obvious, men rape more than women, but do the rape laws disfavor men and favor women? No.

Bogus point...The judge temporarily halted the loan program because white farmers sued saying the program violates their right to equal protection under the law. They may have a point, but the people of color may also be able to prove that their rights were not protected under the law in the past. That's one for the courts.

But then you go on to take the low road with name calling....may I join you?
Trump is a lying, amoral, adulterer, misogynistic, xenophobic, racist, sociopathic conman. There I feel better. Anyway, next Bogus Point is the record for court loses goes to the Trump administration.

Another bogus point, I used hiring quotas, which the court said only rarely permits quotas to remedy racial imbalance, as an example of attempts at racial equity and why it wasn't "racist". You didn't like my example and ignored the argument.

Bogus point. All cities Republican and Democrat cities are experiencing record homicides (and lower non-violent crime rates). Check out Jacksonville's, Fort Worth's, Tulsa's , Fresno's, Miami's and on and on homicide rates.

 

This is a fine example of how right-wingers give fact free from your gut opinions. Here are some facts.

 

How so?

 

So you are saying there is no proof that any given social interaction disfavors blacks and favors whites?

 

If you would like, I can give you details how social interactions favor blacks over whites. We could start with education.

 

???? Uh no. Trying to avoid the topic? Standardized testing disfavors blacks, they dont do as well. Enforcing criminal law disfavors blacks because they are more likely to be involved in crime. A reduction in the capital gains tax rate disfavors blacks because they are less likely to have capital gains. Pretty much the opposite of what you have imagined.

 

Given your bizarre beliefs (Marxist Obama, African American is racist, more Blacks joining the GOP since '65) that would be fun.

Not. If disfavors means not equal then if a test is designed to test unequally by race then it is racist. If a judicial system is designed to favor one race and disfavor another it is racist. You can have many more law breakers coming from one culture with a just judicial system, that is independent of whether a system disfavors a certain demographic or not and needs to be judged separately.

 

1) **** these 'reimagining' thought-policing b@stards with a pitchfork. What SAFETY means to buyers, is SAFETY.

2) There's no more "complexity" in real estate today, than there was a hundred years ago. Selling houses. That's IT as far as real estate agents are concerned. Stay in your damned lane.

3) Ability to afford a home is limited by MONEY, you freaking weirdo freak liars. Try telling a man who kept his nose clean and worked his @ss off to buy a home for his family, that the dissolute underemployed fat junk food addict has been 'unjustly limited', and the only soul likely to think that's a good call is Satan himself.

 

And yes, I'm extra p!ssed off today

 

Their "equity" push will in fact turn them into liars. When asked about crime rates, they'll either have to lie, or worse yet, tell the truth and say because of racial equity, we can't tell you. Now sign here.

 

Treating citizens like idiot children, is no doubt an essential part of the plan. If you can help them 'fail' by hiding reality, then you achieve mass helplessness sooner.

 

Exactly my point. These people are DANGEROUS.