Is the criminal justice system racist against African Americans?

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Is the American criminal justice system racially biased against African Americans?

  1. Absolutely, irredeemably so

    11 vote(s)
    21.2%
  2. Yes to a degree

    7 vote(s)
    13.5%
  3. Unable to really say

    1 vote(s)
    1.9%
  4. On the whole no although there are exceptions

    13 vote(s)
    25.0%
  5. Definitely not, it's an excuse for black criminality

    20 vote(s)
    38.5%
  1. Reasonablerob

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    Why? Because you WANT to see it? Just like Floyd and all the rest where is there any evidence of racism here whatsoever?
     
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    Here are two complicating factors:

    First, African Americans, as a group, statistically tend to be more likely to live in big cities that have corrupt police.
    Second, African Americans, as a group (statistically) have substantially higher crime rates; this means that more African Americans who are innocent are likely to be arrested, either because they happen to live in the surrounding area where crimes are occurring, or because their appearance more closely matches the description of the suspect.

    These are two ways African Americans as a group can suffer more injustice without it being caused by any racial bias on the part of those in law enforcement.
     
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    We have also spent more money on public schools. Again, the results have been slim to none.

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    POVERTY AND CRIME

    During the 1960s, for instance, the residents of San Francisco's Chinatown were among America's poorest people—with the most unemployment, the worst housing conditions, the least education, and the highest rate of tuberculosis in their city. Yet despite such hardships, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the entire state of California in 1965.[1]

    Similarly, Jewish immigrants to America during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries also repudiated criminality despite having to face extreme economic deprivation. Historian Max Dimont describes them:

    "The majority of these immigrants had arrived penniless, all their worldly belongings wrapped in a bundle.... Most of [them] arrived in New York. Some made their way into other cities,... but the majority remained in New York, settling in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, [which was] a neighborhood of the poor. Sociologists, with their impressive charts showing the number of toilets (or lack of the), the number of people per room, the low per capita income, paint a dismal picture of the Lower East Side Jewish slum. But their charts do not capture its uniqueness. Though it bred tuberculosis and rheumatism, it did not breed crime and venereal disease. It did not spawn illiteracy, illegitimate children, or deserted wives. Library cards were in constant use."[2]

    NOTES:
    [1] James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein, Crime and Human Nature (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1985), p. 473.
    [2] Max I. Dimont, Jews, God, and History (New York: Penguin USA, 1994), pp. 373-374. (This book was originally published in 1962.)

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1636

     
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    No wrong show me your proof that's totals for all schools.

    I work a lot in these areas I talk with them a lot because of my work. And its not the same. Schooling gets a lot of their funds from local tax that is why you always see those issues on the election ballot. Well guess what inner city school districts dont pay as much in local tax because they dont make much or have hard time finding jobs.
    Inner city schools get a lot less money than the suburbs you can see the difference even looking at the schools suburbs for tons of nice features huge football fields and the inner city schools got a run down building with a subpar football field in comparison.
     
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    The chart I posted indicates that there has been more spending on all schools, even inner city schools. No amount of money will enable the illegitimate children of unmarried welfare mothers, violent street criminals, and drug dealers to perform as well on the average as the legitimate children of professionals. What slum schools need more than anything else is more discipline. With no exceptions that I am aware of those schools are dangerous places where little learning occurs. They are particularly dangerous for the whites and Orientals who attend.

    By the time a juvenile delinquent is kicked out of school for the last time his back side should be covered with scars and scabs.

    Spending per student in DC public schools is number 3 of all state school systems. The test scores are still the lowest. Dollars can't create scholars. What matters is IQ.
     
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    It is an undeniable fact -- on a per capita basis, American negroes commit the most crimes of violence -- by far.

    The object-lesson that any intelligent person would take from this reality is:

    DON'T COMMIT THE CRIME AND YOU WON'T GET ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED! (Doh! :spin:)

    But, claiming that 'blacks are unfairly treated' makes for good sob-sister discussions among hopelessly delusional, radical Democrats.

    [​IMG]. Before anything else, he committed a FEDERAL CRIME... but nobody remembers that.
     
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    In my worthless opinion...the justice system is not a machine..it's made of persons.
    People tend to pass judgement based on their own personal perceptions, which unfortunately are biased
     
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    Was he tried and convicted before being sentenced to death?
     
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    When we say that the criminal divide is really along lines of I.Q., we are accused of racism, yet that is really where the problem is. Nearly all criminals are below average on these scales and race has nothing to do with it.
    The true "identity groups", the ones that matter, are Women, men and those above and below 110 I.Q. We need to recognize this and take steps to help our brothers and sisters less gifted and easily exploited. The most intelligent must protect the least from the depredations of those whose abilities are misused to the detriment of those whose abilities are most modest.
     
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    Not true...the ones with the higher IQ's...like the white collar ones....seldom if ever get caught.
    And if they do, they've already got the best lawyers on their payroll
    and/or connections in high places.
     
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    The justice system needs reform from top to bottom.

    It's a mess.

    The question oversimplifies. Even when there are no racists in the process, the way the country is set up guarantees bad outcomes will happen regularly.
     
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    Was Floyd being arrested for simply being a 'negro'...? The mob who went on rioting rampages thought so.... :roll:

    The cops have been charged with crimes and will stand trial -- and that is a very GOOD thing! It's the way American justice must work.

    But, during the trials, when the mob is shown the body camera footage of their "martyr" resisting arrest and acting crazy because he was jacked-up on fentanyl and meth -- and -- when the Target employees testify that he had deliberately tried to pass counterfeit money -- then what's the mob going to do...? Truth? Floyd died because of breathing difficulties directly tied to the drugs that he took -- the autopsy proves that, and the medical experts will testify to that!

    But, ignoring the FACTS, the mob will go out on even more rampages, commit more violence against innocent people, set fires, destroy property, and steal everything they can lay their hands on -- AGAIN! :twisted:
     
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    True Mr. Foyle...if this were an isolated case. But there have been far too many cases like this concerning Blacks in this country.
    And nobody listened. It's time to make some changes...whatever it takes.
     
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    We can agree that some changes definitely need to be made! But, the "whatever it takes" part must not (NOT) be anything like what we've seen the past three months....

    The first thing we need to do is have full-blown trials for the police officers involved in the Floyd case -- with nothing held back!

    As I've said, this will probably set off even more mob rioting, arson, looting, etc., because when the TRUTH comes to light, it will be revealed that, in essence, Floyd killed himself by resisting arrest while kiting on dangerous drugs....
     
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    Deliberately killing oneself is definitely possible...but probably not applicable in this case.
    The man was already laying face down on the ground. He continued to lay there even though he could not breath.
    He did not even struggle to get up. If I was being smothered to death I would be doing everything possible to get some air.
    Yet he used his very last breaths to plead for mercy.
    But honestly? I'm not sure I care anymore. "Justice" in this society,
    is whatever is dictated by the power monger who happens to be in charge.
    This forum is a perfect example.
    This may well be my last post here before I am excommunicated,
    but I truly enjoyed talking to you all and have learned much. Thanks
     
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    I would encourage you to stay, @gabmux , if only because it is useful to learn -- even from those with whom you may disagree considerably. You won't get 'thrown out' unless you violate the rules, and I'd encourage you to read them. Truth? I got 'banned' for a short time, and had points assessed against me recently, and I've been posting here for almost 12 years. You just have to roll with it, or leave.

    This is a particularly irksome, disgusting time in our country's life, and not even during the Vietnam War can I remember such deep-seated, fundamental hatred between factions. I'm an old guy, and I'm cursed with an usually good memory... I remember every damned day of it. Worse, today, I don't see how it will get any better for a very long time to come. We all have developed entirely different ideas of what a country should be, and what that country's government should be, too.

    That said, here in this Forum, I have learned a great deal about how people THINK, what they sincerely BELIEVE, and the basis for those thoughts and beliefs! Some of it is truly inspiring, and, of course, some of it makes my blood turn to ice.

    But stay... don't leave. Maybe we can learn something from each other.
     
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    I'd say the reality is it bends the other way for A-As.
     
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    Thanks much. You are a credit to the great Christopher Foyle
     
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    Thank you, but I'm "not a patch" on DCS Foyle. I like to think that I have an 'inquiring mind', though, and engaging in discussions and debates here in this Forum nourishes that curiosity. Truly, I hope you stay.
     
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    Justice System and police reform
     
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    I would have to have more context to this story. I assume there was a reason to handcuff the kids or they wouldn't have bothered doing it. Yes I think they would have done the same with white kids.

    Perhaps because you want to believe that?

    I disagree. I used to work with the mentally disabled. Probably some of the dumbest people in the world. Most of them knew right from wrong.
     
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    Scroll through the previous posts and you'll see the context
     
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    I remember the Vietnam War too. I think the divisions then were deeper. Back than you could often guess a person's political views by clothing and hair style. You can't do that now. Also, back then there were real issues that divided people: the civil rights movement, the War in Vietnam, and how to respond to the doubling of the crime rate that happened from 1960 to 1969 and the black ghetto riots.

    Back then I opposed the War in Vietnam. I never was disruptive about it. Nevertheless, I thought most Americans hated me for that reason. When President Nixon was re elected in 1972 by a landslide I felt as though I was living in a country that believed in burning witches and the divine right of kings.
     
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