Is the legalization of abortion a constitutional right or an error in judgment?

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    And what's with the Republican platform, dismissing abortion even in cases of rape, incest or when the life of the Mother is at stake? As a lifelong Republican myself, I see this position as prudence to a great fault in its severity. It is akin to the soldier in battle who goes mad and loses the ability to distinguish between friend and foe, consequently shooting at everyone. Governor Romney I know does not agree with the platform. But one would expect more from a careful thinker like Congressman Ryan who supports it. I find the matter personally disappointing, and politically foolish. They had my liberal Fiancees support until they established this severe position. Any thoughts?....any like minded Republicans out there?
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Please show me a link where this is part of their official platform.
     
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    There is a whole topic dedicated to Abortion in this forum- not here.
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Thread isn't about abortion, its about the republican platform and the constitutionality of their views.
     
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    http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_Renewing/

    Here's your link . Please show us exceptions for rape, incest, or the life of the woman.

    Beyond regulating for safety and efficacy the government has no place in the discussion.

    The only difference between china's policy of forced abortion and the Republican platform is a single word. "Cannot" and "Must."
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Only problem with that link is that nowhere does it say they don't approve of abortion no matter what the case. This whole thread has now been debunked.
     
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    The platform says that the unborn have fundamental rights to life. There are no exceptions in the wording. Consequently, any exceptions (rape, incest), like reason itself, are excluded..... Sorry Ma'm, you aren't on the list. At any rate, it's obvious that the far right set the platform rules, which to me sound more like a cold response to the far left than a simple statement of fair beliefs.
     
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    Republicans have long been against abortion except in certain cases such as rape and incest and a danger to the mother. That's been their postition for decades. Now you are looking at specific wording and extrapolating a meaning they have never held.

    You'll notice that those specific words also don't contain things like, "only" and "never" in them which implies that their can be exceptions. It works both ways.
     
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    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    I hope you're right.
     
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    There's been somewhere around 40 million abortions since it was legalized. You make it illegal except for rape and incest or a danger to the mother and you will have saved probably around 39,999,000 lives.
     
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    You mean are there any pro-choice Republicans out there? Is that what your saying? Abortion is killing a living human being.

    Let me ask you this. If you went into a room of newborn babies and the nurse told you to pick out the child whose mother was raped…do you think you could do it? Yes or no?
    What makes their life less valuable than one who's mother was not raped? Rape is a violent act…but so is abortion. If you stand on life then you must allow that life to be born…not slaughtered. Two wrongs do not make a right.
    If you oppose protection for the unborn in the womb then you are pro-abortion.
     
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    You know..I could say the same about Obama. He was against gay marriage until when? Until he was behind in the polls and had to pull something out of his hat. Now he is pro-gay marriage. What is the Democratic platform? He got elected….and his positions had a lot to do with it. He was for civil unions against marriage…now he has flip flopped.

    And you bash Romney for not standing up against something he opposes?
     
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    I didn't bash Romney. Romney supports choice in matters of rape, incest or if the Mothers life is put at risk by the pregnancy. I bashed the RNC platform for not making exceptions, and expressed my disappointment in Ryans position which also leaves no room for the female/woman/mothers worth. I'm against abortion. But if the Doctor said that my wifes pregnancy could well end my wifes life, I'd want an abortion because my wife means more to me than children. Likewise, were my daughter brutally raped and left for dead....expecting her to carry the conception to fruition would follow suit in the Satanic nature of the assault. That is, should she so choose to not want to carry the conception to term. Were she to want the child, then I'd support her choice.
     
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    I'm not sure what the controversy is here. The GOP platform has had a human life amendment for years. And for years, when Republicans were in power, they did nothing about it.

    The unspoken truth is that there are too many pro abortion (or pro choice) Republicans and a real legislative battle for this might split the party, so the compromise seems to be to have it as part of the platform and forget about it when in power.

    However, the country is gradually becoming more and more anti-abortion. If that number continues to grow, it might incentivize the Republicans to actually try to do something to push this, although that might be many years away.
     

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