Is the NRA partially to blame for the Charlottesville violence?

I get it, what the OP is saying is that since those guys were carrying guns, none of those commies or nazis felt comfortable assaulting them in the melee they both caused and since he wanted some blood spilled to justify authoritarian rule, this just won't do.

 

Based on the conclusions of this article, I think cars are too dangerous to be arou nd civilians. We need to go back to horse and buggy.

 

Absolutely incorrect. Officers were called up from ever state police division to patrol this rally. I personally know and work with several of the troopers and special agents that were called up to police the rally.

I saw what my Governor said about it. I also saw the embarrassing spectacle of the Virginia State Police being forced to contradict their own Governor’s false claims.

And while they were having to correct his lies, they also contradicted your claim, Galileo.

See below:

http://reason.com/blog/2017/08/16/virginia-state-police-say-they-didnt-fin

“Contradicting statements by Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, the Virginia State Police say they did not find caches of weapons stashed around Charlottesville in advance of last Saturday's deadly white nationalist rally.

In an interview Monday on the Pod Save the People podcast, hosted by Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson, McAuliffe claimed the white nationalists who streamed into Charlottesville that weekend hid weapons throughout the town.

"They had battering rams and we had picked up different weapons that they had stashed around the city," McAuliffe told Mckesson.

McAuliffe's comments were picked up by other news outlets and spread through social media. But Corinne Geller, a spokesperson for the Virginia State Police, says that no such stashes were found.

"The governor was referring to the briefing provided him in advance of Saturday's rally and the extra security measures being taken by local and state police," Geller tells Reason. "As a safety precaution in advance of August 12, such searches were conducted in and around Emancipation and McIntire Parks. No weapons were located as a result of those searches."

The Virginia State Police also disputed McAuliffe's claims that Virginia State Police were underequipped to deal with the heavily armed militia members at Saturday's rally.

"The governor was referencing the weapons and tactical gear the members of various groups attending the rally had on their persons," Geller says. "I can assure you that the Virginia State Police personnel were equipped with more-than-adequate specialized tactical and protective gear for the purpose of fulfilling their duties to serve and protect those in attendance of the August 12 event in Charlottesville."

McAuliffe claimed in an interview with The New York Times that law enforcement arrived to find a line of militia members who "had better equipment than our State Police had." In longer comments that were later edited out of the Times' story, McAuliffe said that up to 80 percent of the rally attendees were carrying semi-automatic weapons. "You saw the militia walking down the street, you would have thought they were an army," he said.”

Virginia police have come under criticism for failing to quell violence at the rally, which left one counterprotester dead and more than 30 injured.

McAuliffe has already been successfully sued once and slapped down by our Supreme Court for violating the Virginia Constitution he swore an oath to uphold and protect—all over his naked attempt to boost Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

And now—while promoting yet another political agenda—he has forced the Virginia State Police to call him out as a liar.

All this is known to those of us in Virginia. But that is not why I am responding tonight. Here is why I am responding tonight....

I am not surprised that he would be selectively quoted to advance a gun control theme on this forum, but I am decidedly unhappy with your timing and underlying message, Galileo.

Do you even realize that today—while you are trying in vain to blame the NRA—we were publicly mourning the deaths of two officers who died when their helicopter crashed while patrolling this rally?

Listen, I have seen a lot of low points on this forum, but calling these brave men and women cowards in Charlottesville--on the very funeral day for two of their fallen brethren from Charlottesville— while quoting a known liar who happens to share your view of private gun ownership—just so you can try and blame the NRA for their presumed cowardice—is a new low.

 

Both you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this thread.

 

Armed to the teeth ?

All I saw were semi auto AR's, peas shooters that were chambered for the 5.56 (Remington .223) that is based upon the Remington .222 that was designed to shoot little four legged varmints like ground hogs.

Maybe the cops were liberals and like all liberals, black guns scare them.

 

what a stupid argument by a gun banning politician. Its like saying the ACLU is responsible for racist scum bags to preach racist hate and for nut case communist agitators to stir stuff up. Private citizens should be able to own the same weaponry that the state would use against them.

 

so you only believe in government agents being armed?

they made a movie about such a place

it was called "the Killing Fields"

a sequel was called "Schindler's List"

 

Are baseball bat manufacturers responsible for all deaths involving baseball bats?

 

Both great movies and provided a lot of work for my union brothers and sisters; hopefully they'll make more movies like that!

 

Nobody was shot, so the NRA is entirely irrelevant to Charlottesville, and would have been even if someone was shot.

 

Fighting words are not protected free speech.

Hardly surprising that racist white supremacists are ignorant of the Constitution since they pledge allegiance to the confederate and nazi flags in their hearts and minds.

 

If you choose to show up and listen to something you know will make you violent, then you are to blame, not the speaker.

Words do not cause you to act violently, you choose to behave violently and use others speech as an excuse to justify your own behavior.

But please, keep doing exactly what you're doing. After all, violence is and always has been part and parcel of the left all through history.

 

The united state supreme court did, however, rule unanimously that there is no hate speech exception to either the first amendment, or free speech. the case is Matal v Tam and was ruled on this year. What this means is that, no matter how hate-filled and repulsive the message may be, no matter how infuriating and hurtful it is to those that may hear it, it is still protected speech, and cannot be punished.

 

Very true.
Firearms have saved my life and put food on my table more times than I could ever count, relate or even recall.

 

Unions are a dying breed, global labor markets are doing them in. Public sector unions are a fraud upon the tax payer and should be ended. Your post demonstrates you had no valid response to the point I made though

 

Soooooo, you would have been ok if they had been Muslims carrying those guns?

 

Muslim Americans? What do you have against them?

 

Legally?

Yes

 

That's because aside from the movies, you never made your point! Try it again.

 

The NRA sent guns there? No. Got nothing to do with the NRA.

Charlottesville blows away the claims of the anti-gunners. There was VERY little violence after the police shoved thousands of counter protesters together (illegally shoved them together) and then withdrew due to the Democrat governor up for re-election and the Democrat Police Chief wanting as much violence and as many people murdered as they could cause.

Yet with ALL those firearms there, not ONE shot was fired and the violence unusually low for the situation. However, the Democrat governor and police chief got lucky when 1 crazy gun in a car turned down the road the police him do and then rammed into a crowd.

 

Asinine attempt to distort the Law of the Land!

If hate speech is combined with fighting words then the hate speech loses the protection of the 1st Amendment.

https://www.thefire.org/misconceptions-about-the-fighting-words-exception/

For example;

It is clear that the bolded term above is hate speech since it is a derogatory racist slur. However it is NOT protected free speech because it is intended to provoke a violent reaction.

So you are clearly WRONG to believe that hate speech when used to incite violence is protected.

 

Does the mere existence and utterance of hate speech cause violence to occur? Or is it something that a person must actually go out of their way to commit, in order to draw a violent reaction?

There are videos showing that black individuals have become violent, to the point of committing physical assault, simply because a white person chose to refer to them as being a n****r. Does this constitute fighting words? Or is it more accurately a lack of self control on the part of those hearing offensive language?

 

If they were being carried in a legal manner, what would the problem be?

 

we should take a poll as to which one of us has failed to make points on gun issues. Apparently -with your comment about unions-you're anti gun anti NRA attitude is not based on a good faith belief that passing idiotic restrictions on lawful gun owners will actually deter people who already ignore laws against robbery and murder-but rather due to the fact that the NRA and gun owners tend to vote for politicians who are not big fans of the left wing agenda.

 

Sure they do, they are called citizens with rights. Are you not aware that this is a government of the people?