Is the scientific community stupid?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    No. That would be politicians. Or the need to get more money.
     
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    I don't know what pure science is either because it does not exist. There is a continuum between science and technology. It is impossible to draw a line and say this is one and this is the other except in the broadest sense. AGW is more in the technology sector with all the unknowns.
    That is avoiding the subject. The problem with the technology is we don't how big an effect man has had and how much we can change it and we don't know how accurately we can forecast it. Too many assumptions and approximations and no way to verify it.
     
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    I am not religious. I let religious people alone with the their beliefs.

    Manipulations with math proves nothing about where we came from.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Zero. Zilch.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    The average person exhales 2.3 lbs of CO2 per day.

    There are 7.7 billion people alive right now.

    That comes to 17.7 billion lbs of CO2 per day or 6.5 TRILLIONS lbs per year!

    That converts to 3.25 billion tons per year from people alone.

    Vehicles and manufacturing add another 24 billion tons of CO2 per year.

    Volcanoes only produce a tiny fraction of C02 in the region 0.2 billion tons per year.

    The math does not lie.

    To pretend that we do not know what our impact is on the planet is just denialism.
     
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    Agreed. Unfortunately those on the left are denying science and enforcing their denial BY FORCE OF LAW.

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    2+2=5
     
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    The weight of earth is six times ten to the twenty first power tons. The weight of the atmosphere is 5.5 quadrillion tons. Those numbers are dwarfed by the weight of this earth and the weight of the atmosphere. Big numbers do not impress me. It is what you do with them that impresses me.

    I said we do not understand. I did not say ti does not exist. .
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Global average temperature are RISING!

    Denialism is not going to make AGW stop happening.
     
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    The pattern is identical to what happened thousands of years ago before man made a significant influence.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Prove it!
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Prove I am wrong.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Once AGAIN you destroy your own credibility by making unsubstantiated allegations but that is YOUR problem, not mine!
     
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    You can google "earth temperature history chart" and you can get a few hundred of them. Try it and then say I am wrong.
     
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    Onus REMAINS on you and you alone!
     
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    I really don't give a crap. The data is there. If you choose not to look at it, that is your problem. I have looked at it. Pick the right time period and you can prove or disprove just about anything you want.
     
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    The REASON you can't substantiate your utterly BOGUS allegation is BECAUSE it is a massive load of bovine excrement!

    Prior warming is NOT even remotely IDENTICAL as you so fallaciously alleged!

    The ACTUAL scientific DATA demonstrates that it is FAR from identical.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...-years-worth-of-climate-data-prove-it/273870/

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    We have NEVER BEFORE seen temperature RISE AS STEEPLY as this and reach this peak is such a SHORT TIME FRAME.

    FURTHERMORE there is NOTHING to show that temperatures will STOP RISING either.

    Once again you were caught flinging around fallacious allegations that turned out to be massive loads of bovine excrement without substantiation.

    Little wonder that you have no credibility when it comes to fact based topics like these.

    Perhaps next time you will actually look at the data FIRST before posting such easily debunked nonsense.
     
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    Like I said, you can pick a chart and prove or disprove about anything. Take a look at this one. Click on "An overview to get things into perspective" and then take a look at figure 2, which covers the last 420,000 years.
    https://www.climate4you.com/GlobalTemperatures.htm
    it clearly shows the repetitive pattern I was talking about.
     
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    In case you had trouble finding it.






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    Fig.2. Reconstructed global temperature over the past 420,000 years based on the Vostok ice core from the Antarctica (Petit et al. 2001). The record spans over four glacial periods and five interglacials, including the present. The horizontal line indicates the modern temperature. The red square to the right indicates the time interval shown in greater detail in the following figure.
     
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    MOVING the GOALPOSTS from thousands of years to hundreds of thousands of years because your utterly bogus allegation was DEBUNKED duly noted for the record!

    Nothing ever changes when it comes to those who cannot admit when they are PROVEN by FACTUAL DATA to be wrong!

    Sad!
     
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    Moving the goal posts? I never moved them. I clearly said that you can pick a period and get any result you want. What makes ten thousand years any more valid than hundreds of thousands of years? I did not pick where we are on the curves. We are where we are whether your chart covers a hundred years or a million years. I showed the chart which you denied existed. Looks like sour grapes to me. Just save your self some pain and admit you were wrong.
     
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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

    You can't even admit to what you ACTUALLY POSTED that was PROVEN to be WRONG!

    What happened "thousands of years ago" is NOT "identical" to what is happening NOW!

    The DATA proves you WRONG!
     
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    That is why you have to look at the complete data set

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
     
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    Sure looks identical to me, except of course that there were several periods which are warmer than we are now.
     
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    Or the desire to control people which we see from the far left constantly and more from the social sciences.
     
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    Pretty effed up. Not as much as right-wingers who deny Global Warming, but effed up nonetheless. .

    Who knows what their intention was....
     
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