Is there a right to abortion, and if so, where does the right come from?

Ok by that logic killing another person is murder regardless if it was self defense, you can't have it both ways.

 

A parasitic twin is also a human being, but it has no rights because it is not separately viable.

What do you think happens in a miscarriage? If a fetus is an individual human being with the same rights as anyone else, then a miscarriage is at least involuntary manslaughter. If the woman engaged in any kind of activity that increases the risk of miscarriage, like smoking, drinking, or being obese, then it's manslaughter and gets her a prison sentence. Is that seriously where you want to go with this?

 

Well, there is drinking, gambling, drugs, prostitution, and a plethora of other personal choices the right wing branch has sought to control over the decades. Pot is another example. You can buy it legally in many Blue State but you can go to jail for a long time for possessing even minor amounts, in backwards religious zealot red states. And now some are even moving to ban birth control in States where they can impose their religion.

It is certainly true that religion seeks to control women completely. Love, honor, and obey dammit! Do what you're told woman!!!

 

If I kill someone in self defense the vast majority of the time I will be tried for murder. The only way I can get off from it being murder is if I can show it was done in self defense and I essentially had no other choice except to die.

Good luck making that argument with the VAST majority of abortions.

 

Causing miscarriage of a pre-viable fetus is not murder. Felonious assault, assault causing grievous bodily harm, yes, but not murder.

 

Sorry but under your logic it doesn't matter WHY you killed someone, only that you did.

 

How is it causing grievous bodily harm? The woman is fine and has no problems.

All he did was get rid of a parasite she was carrying. Right?

 

To tempt them to sin, of course....

 

That’s not true. Women should be allowed to abort for rape and incest because they are not at fault.

 

Maybe by removing part of her body against her will...?

She's not fine. He removed part of her body that she wanted to keep.

She didn't consider that part of her body a parasite, and that was not his call.

 

It's not a question of fault. It's a question of rights. If a fetus has a right to life, how it was conceived is completely irrelevant.

 

What she considers a parasite is COMPLETELY irrelevant to your argument.

Your position is that a pre-viable fetus is not a human life because it is BY DEFINITION a parasite which is incapable of living outside of the host body.

A man feeding a woman abortion pills, according to your argument, is NO MORE grievous bodily harm than a man feeding her a drug that killed a tapeworm she was carrying. Does she get to say “I loved that tapeworm, I want him charged with grievous bodily harm!!!!”

Of course not that’s preposterous. And so is your position.

 

Wrong. It is 100% a question of fault. If it’s not. Then you agree a woman should be able to decide she wants to kill the baby the day she’s supposed to give birth.

You’re fine with that right?

 

The issue with what you’re saying is you’re trying to conflate two arguments into one.

You start by arguing the baby is a parasite. But when called out for that absurd position you pivot to the woman has the right to her own body.

But those are two different arguments. Because if the woman has a right to her own body, it doesn’t matter if the fetus is a pre-viable parasite or it’s 8 months 3 weeks and 6 days old. It’s still her body and she should have a right to kill it.

 

Nope, the issue is that you make an exception for rape or incest, WHY?

 

Because the issue here is that there is a life that has been created. In the VAST majority of circumstances that life was created due to a willful and cognizant decision by a man and a woman to engage in a act which they know FULL WELL could result in this life being created.

They made a decision to engage in an act which brought that life into the world. Therefore they should be responsible for that life.

Whereas with rape or incest that’s not the case. I compare rape and incest in regards to abortion to be akin to self defense. I didn’t go looking for this guy to rob me or hurt me but I was forced to defend myself and took a life. If a woman is forced into being impregnated against her will she has every right of self defense to stop that gross violation even if it means taking another’s life.

 

No it isn't. She gets to decide what happens with her own body, no one else. She can decide to have one of her teeth pulled. But if someone does the same thing against her will, that is a felonious assault.

See how that works?

I didn't say it was a parasite. I said it is not a separate individual as it cannot live separately.

Garbage. A tapeworm is not part of her body.

Administering a drug to someone without their consent, even if you think it is for the benefit of their health, is indeed a crime.

No, your absurd made-up nonsense is preposterous.

 

No it is not, as I just got through proving to you. It is a question of fetal rights, or no question at all.

No, because a separately viable fetus is a separate life.

You haven't been paying attention, right?

 

1) No she doesn’t. Does she get to take heroin if she wants to? Does she get to ride without a seatbelt if she wants to? Does she get to kill herself or harm herself if she wants to?

2) That is the definition of a parasite. I’ll be happy to quote it for you if you’d like.

3) A tapeworm is just as much a part of her body when it’s living inside her guts as a parasitical pre-viable fetus is.

4) I didn’t say it wasn’t a crime. I said it wasn’t grievous bodily injury. The woman is in perfect health. You cant argue grievous bodily injury if the person is in perfect health. That’s ridiculous.

 

False.

I said no such thing. I stated the fact that a pre-viable fetus is part of the woman's body, not a separate individual.

The position is only absurd because you made it up.

Nope. A separately viable fetus is a separate life, and no longer part of the woman's body because it can survive without her.

 

So you’re for banning abortions at 21 weeks and 5 days?

More importantly if a woman gets an abortion past 21 weeks and 5 days you’re for hitting her with a murder charge right?

Cause I can get down with that.

 

Define parasite please. Or I’ll do it for you.

 

But the fetus STILL DIDN'T do anything, so WHY the exception?

 

Yes she does.

Yes, if we respect her rights. You don't. Simple.

No it isn't.

Good luck with that.

No, it is not, any more than any other infection. Parasites are just bigger. A pre-viable fetus is not a parasite because the body does not try to kill or expel it.

She's not in perfect health. Part of her body was removed against her will. A person can have a tooth removed and be in perfect health, but removing people's teeth against their will is felonious assault. See how that works?

 

Go ahead. And be sure to provide a credible source.