Is time fundamental?

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  1. Mushroom

    Mushroom Well-Known Member

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    Then what you are saying is that nobody believes what you do.

    If you can only find two scientists that accept what you do, then maybe that is proof that you and they are wrong.

    But hey, believe what you want. Just don't expect others to believe it.
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    There are many compelling stories by very young children remembering details of past lives, for which they could not possibly have known, which were confirmed.

    also, there are stories of children who, for example, never having had one lesson on an instrument, say, the piano, sat down and started playing.

    What logical explanation but for training in a former life could explain it? I've seen the stories and I'll look them up, if you want.

    There are many examples of past lives coming up under hypnosis, but, of course, you will argue that that is not reliable. But, truthful events tend to grow and become clearer and do not change, where as confabulation changes all the time. There are testimonies of past life regression hypnotherapists that are quite compelling.

    In the 70s, I studied Dianetics. Now, I'm not a Scientologist, but, at the time, I was told it was a type of hypnotherapy so I took the course.

    Now, the 'church' (which it is not) says it's not hypnosis, But, I"ve sat in on a few regressive hypnotherapy sessions and I found them to be almost identical to my experience and training in my two years as a Dianetics practitioner. Many of the regressions into past lives, which only happened occasionally, weren't that impressive to me, as Scientologists are indoctrinated and I didn't trust their stories. When someone tells me he was "Davy Crockett" or some such famous person, I always toss it as BS. However, a few went into deep states of hypnosis, and their regressions were powerful, traumatic, detailed, stories of human drama having nothing to do with fame or anyone notable, and most of all, the outcome was cathartic. It also makes sense to me that if any memory has a change of surviving to another life, it would be a traumatic one. In one example, a woman relayed to me that in a past life she lost two children at sea, and it so devastated her she committed suicide. So, to those few that were cathartic, I found those credible, this led me to believe in reincarnation. I abandoned Dianetics/Scientology in 1975 because the 'church' was engaging in unethical practices I could no longer support it.

    There is no way to prove reincarnation, but there is a plethora of this kind of evidence, and if you study it, you'll find much of it compelling.

    But, to believe in reincarnation, one must also believe that a human has a soul/spirit which can be disembodied and transfered to another body.

    In my own case, I've had out of body experiences, so, this is another layer on why I believe in reincarnation.

    I can't prove it, but my belief is not done in a vacuum, either.

    Note that while I believe in the human soul, I do not believe in a personal God, that I"ve seen no evidence for.
     
  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't expect it, and no one is trying to prove anything, it's just an intellectual exercise.
     
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    This is where we have to be careful. There are different definitions for evidence.

    Scientific evidence is the highest standard. In the world of the hard sciences, this is limited to observation and experimentation under controlled conditions. In order to be considered evidence, it must be 100% repeatable by many independent reviewers. And only after significant peer review and publications can something rise to the level of hard scientific evidence for a claim.

    There are lesser degrees of scientific evidence for the soft sciences that include things like cases studies. As we move down to lower and lower forms of evidence, we finally arrive at the lowest form of evidence - eyewitness testimony and anecdotal reports.

    Ironically, the lowest form of evidence is what legal courts call "evidence", when we seek justice.

    However, there are many examples of highly unlikely anecdotes based on eyewitness testimony, that turned out to be true. A few examples are"

    The legend of the "milky sea" - reported by sailors for centuries
    Freak waves - reported by sailors for centuries
    Gorillas - reported by visitors to the African continent in the early days of global travel. Most people didn't believe there were giant hairy man-like creatures
    Ball lightning
    Earthquake lights

    Just a few that come to mind. There are many more. So while anecdotes can never rise to the level of scientific evidence, that doesn't mean they should be completely ignored. It just means scientists have nothing to do or say about it except they have no [scientific] evidence.
     
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