ISIS, Hindu fundamentalists and Catholics, Buddhists …..

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  1. haribol

    haribol New Member

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    There are elements of goodness and morality in all religious faiths but most of what they preach and practice is endangering the place we are living in. The one and only solution could be the annihilation of religions and let men live naturally without Gods and religions in perfect harmony. Man is capable of living harmoniously coexisting with the rest of his fellow beings and religious thoughts they man has invented thousands years ago do not prove good now. They are totally winding up in violence.

    I thought Buddhism is immune to all vices but later on I have seen how Buddhists are politically surging

    Let us save the planet by annihilating religions
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    How would you propose to do this?

    As much as I dislike the concept of religion, I don't believe there is a way of "annihilating" them which don't on the same time violate other human rights quite as badly as religion ever did. Similarly, one of the reasons religions cause problems is others, usually other religions (but there is no reason it couldn't apply to seculars) who band up against them. Just like ISIS has been formed as a response to western involvement in the muslim world, declaring such a war on religion as such is more likely to cause resentment towards secularism and reinforce both religion as a whole, as well as its more extreme versions.

    Surging Buddhists shouldn't bring you to the conclusions that all religions are bad, it should bring you to the conclusion that any ideology can be warped. That in turn triggers, at least in me, an understanding for those who have less violent interpretations for various ideologies, for instance, an interest in defending the rights of those muslims who don't subscribe to ISIS.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can we annihilate the aggressive global hegemon you'll create in the process?

    Let the religious have and practice their faith so long as they don't initiate force against anyone else in the process. That means they get to fully own their businesses and refuse service to anyone they wish, it means they get to teach their children about their religion, it means government should entirely remove itself from marriage altogether, etc.

    Secular philosophies can be just as damaging, if not more so, than religious dogma. I say this as an Atheist. In short: it's your actions I care about, not your beliefs per se.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well since God is real I highly doubt he would allow a few petty humans to erase him from society but knock yourself out.
     
  5. haribol

    haribol New Member

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    The very root of religion is often found in hatred, discrimination and antipathy. They follow the diction in their religious texts, interpret, misinterpret to suit their particular actions and reactions that trigger violence in the world. In Hinduism there are racial discrimination which is clearly spelled out in their sacred texts. So is in Muslim, in Judaism, in Christianity, in the rest of other religions. In the Buddhist text it is however somewhat different, But the practice in Buddhism all over the world is different.
     
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    As long as we all are human, none of is immune to vices regardless of religion or no religion.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    You live 2000 years ago and meet Jesus of Nazareth talking about God and healing the sick.

    What would you tell him?
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    And here I thought he gave man free will!

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    Neat trick, how did you do that?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God can effect events without preventing freewill.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    And then he shows it to you and you cannot duplicate it however you try ... then what would you say?
     
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    You talk about annihilating for world peace is the same thing we are hearing from Isis. Aren't you even aware of what you are saying? Just another Atheist coming out with the thread for totalitarianism. So many of them....ya''ll should get a clue.
     
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    Some fundamentalist seek to make others adhere to their interpretation of a strict ideology, which would be no different than you deciding that they must adhere to your strict ideology that does not allow for religion. Both are mechanisms of control where if you oppose one then in all fairness you should oppose the other.

    I prefer tolorance of that which is different so long as it does seek to harm others. Any ideology is only as good or bad as those who subscribe to it.
     
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    If the events are human actions that negates the concept of free will. You can't have it both ways.
     
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    Then I would say " Wow, you really are the son of God" course it isn't going to happen and healing the sick has bern a charlatan trick practically since the beginning of humanity. Usually either the sick person is a plant or the healing claim is just probability and the other thousand attempts are never mentioned or the other hundreds in the audience that don't get better are ignored. It's kind of like the disaster survivor who gives God credit while ignoring the fact that everyone else died.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    Healing the sick that we see on TV is almost certainly a charlatan's trick.
    Religion is a great money maker.
    And according to Christ such religious leaders would pay for that dearly.

    But 2000 years ago entire villages were healed, some dead raised, people born blind would see.
    Not one failure.

    What would you say if you would have seen that?
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Since nobody has seen it what does it matter. We even have silly books that claim the universe was created in six days. Old fiction is irrelevant. Show me any modern scientifically observed and documented faith healing and we can talk.
     
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    Edial Active Member Past Donor

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    But if you would have seen such quality and magnitude of healings from Christ, what would you have said?
     
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    Since nobody has ever seen them from anyone ever in the entire history of the world the hypothetical is irrelevant.
     
  19. haribol

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    Ideologies themselves are often flawed and some innocent people are likely to be misled. In Hinduism there are so many such lines that create discrimination among castes and creeds. Christianity, Judicial and Islam are also full of such lines or ideas that divide human societies and instigate violence. But the Buddhist text is somewhat different though Buddhists all over the world are practicing Buddhism somewhat ritually and at times violently. I do not mean religious texts are always misleading societies. There are so many goods sides and at times societies benefit from religious ideas. People are often engaged in charitable activities through inspiration from religious texts In the name of Jesus so many people sacrifice all else for the up-liftment of their societies. From this stand point religious ideas benefit humans beings.
     
  20. haribol

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    Your bigotry does not convince me and come up with better ideas rather than connecting what I have said to some irrelevant ideologies which I am always voicing against

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    Such ideas sound inconceivable to me. I just cannot imagine like you about this.
     
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    Which God is real? There are so many Gods: Biblical God, Hindu God, Islamic God or the Gods we read about in Greek mythologies or millions of Gods in Hinduism. How can you conceive of a God you have never seen or can understand without taking references of mythological sources. All religious texts or stories contained therein are human inventions and our ideas cannot go beyond the programs that have conditioned and molded our belief mechanisms.
     

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