Islamic hard-liner Ebrahim Raisi wins Iran's election

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  1. Blinda Vaganto

    Blinda Vaganto Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.dw.com/en/islamic-hard-liner-ebrahim-raisi-wins-irans-election/a-57962967

    So Ahmadinejad 2.0 came to the presidency in Iran. All masks are off. Not that it really matters as President in Iran has just slightly more political power than European monarchs do. But anyway the gesture has been noticed. Which is a shame. Iranians are really nice people. They deserve better than to be represented by bloodthirsty criminals.
     
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    A "hardliner" was elected in Iran....now who would have guessed? Wonder how "open, fair, and honest" the Iranian electoral system is, LOL.
     
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    I wonder if anyone will notice any difference between him and Rouhani. It's all theatrics. Presidency doesn't matter all that much in Iran. It's the supreme leader guy who makes the calls.
     
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    Right. The president is nothing but a PR person in that place. The mullahs decide policy.
     
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    Yawn. Why do I even need to know about an Iranian "election?"
     
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    Kind of a philosophical question. Why does anyone need to know anything? Iran is a relatively big country that has a weird relationship with nuclear research for what is now decades. Actually here is a fun fact. Iran is the 17th largest country in the world both by area and by population.
     
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    Like my Iranian friend says, “The people are great, the government is crazy.”
     
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    Its as Blinda said, thus doubtful that anyone will cheat in this election. The whole political architecture of Iran is a mock democracy, as the real power isnt in the hands on the president anyway, the election process as such isnt necessarily unfair.
     
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    Blinda Vaganto means Blind Wanderer.

    Just saying.
     
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    Thanks but that has nothing to do with the post to which you responded.
     
  11. Blinda Vaganto

    Blinda Vaganto Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My bad.
     
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    In other words, you don't care about other people, you only care if it affects you.

    Or is it you only don't care about other people in the rest of the world?

    Well, I'll tell you why you might want to care. Unfortunately these days everything in the world is connected. Geopolitical developments in Iran could pull the US (and other countries in Europe) into a war. Then there's always of course the whole nuclear issue, which Iran is trying to develop and might use in a war.
    If you're in Israel you'll definitely care, because it is believed Iran is covertly supporting groups that wage small attacks Israel and have killed people.
    Then there's the whole refugee situation. Those people who flee Iran (and other nearby countries), where do you think they will go? See, that's going to have an effect on your country.

    Maybe you prefer to take the view not to think about complicated things until you absolutely have to think about them. That's a little like not paying attention to the strange man sneaking up behind you, until he starts strangling you.

    But do whatever. No one is forcing you to think. You don't have to worry about what's going on in the world if you don't want to.
     
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    I pointed out that elections in Iran are meaningless and you offer up this garbage? Spare me.

    Or is it you only don't care about other people in the rest of the world?

    You get an even bigger yawn than the Iranian election. Thanks for insults, though. They are usually entertaining.
     
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    This seems to be the trend - certainly our elections are meaningless these days.
     
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    Yes, but it looks like Ebrahim Raisi is exceptionally evil even by the standards of Iranian politics. He was directly involved in the execution of political prisoners back in the '80s.
     
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    I think you're overgeneralizing, and that then could fall into the category of an equivocation fallacy.

    Yes, it's "meaningless" in one way, but it's not "meaningless" in another.

    The sense in which you are claiming it is "meaningless" may not necessarily be relevant to the issue at hand.

    The President of Iran still wields leadership and some direct powers. It is just that the religious leaders of the Party exercise effective control over him.
    I don't see how this could be totally meaningless.

    I think you're falling into a logical fallacy because it's mentally easier for you to just want to brush this off and ignore it. That's a common reaction in many people.
     
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    Yes, I ignored it.
     
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    Could be said just about any country, even North Korea.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really, not ours. “The government you elect is the government you deserve.”

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    Yes Really - Yes ours. Choice between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. The only differences are in hot button issues - they are in unison in relation to systemic issues - walking lock step to maintain the status quo in our pay to play system.
     
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    Bloodthirsty criminals? How?
    They demand their right to be an independent nation able to spread their influence around the world, just like other countries get to do.

    Take Yemen for instance. They aint causing the famine there, but the US and co are. And the civilian population is mostly not targeted by those who Iran supports, but by those who the US supports. Do try and look at this objectively instead of siding by the US, just because you like the predominantly white christian society where people can openly whine around stealing democratically held elections.
     
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    yeah well... people back in the 80's supported the Shah of Iran, because that was a corrupt bloodthirsty fascist stooge of the US put in power to have dirt cheap oil deals. And that corruption gave those "political" supporters power and money. Let's not kid ourselves who represented what in the 1980's when the American house of cards crashed in Iran. Americans still can not get over that their Iranian fascist leader got removed and Iran was no longer their neo-colonial push over, and became ones again an independent country.
     
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