Between the continued flow of immigration and the high fertility rates, muslims will become a majority within 50 years. They will be the ones deciding politics. So just what types of policies will muslims support? [video=youtube;zIOi0Iid3QI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIOi0Iid3QI&feature=related[/video] These are not the beliefs of just a few muslim clerics, the majority of muslims want an Islamic state in the new countries they have migrated to. Consider that 40 percent of university-aged muslims support implementing Shariah law. This includes beheadings for those that leave Islam, including children. For those of you who think the second generation muslims will seemlessly integrate into society, consider this: Muslim women who espouse stronger religious views are the ones that have the higher fertility rates, and they continue to marry at a much younger ages, further enhancing the effect of their higher fertility rate. In other words, there may actually be some tendancy for a muslim community to become more radicalized over several generations, as the ones that are more open to integration do not contribute as much to the total growth. [video=youtube;DWddn81Rfc0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWddn81Rfc0[/video]
[video=youtube;mgo4aGe1OGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgo4aGe1OGc&feature=fvwrel[/video] [video=youtube;FKs7oi_-NUo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKs7oi_-NUo[/video] I you are a Jew reading this thread, honestly, what type of world do you think your grandchildren, or even children, are going to grow up in? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5NLC06aMBw&skipcontrinter=1 (Jews are already being publicly attacked all across western europe. All the violence is being censored from the media. Nothing can be allowed to stand in the way of more immigration.) Many jews are fleeing from Sweden to Israel or America because they do not feel safe anymore.
Give it a break Anders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurabia (good account there worth a read.) It is a conspiracy theory by the anti islam extremist network. The leading proponent of this view is Bat Ye'or who is no expert. The Pew Foundation however is one of the most respected worldwide. I suggest you give up this long repudiated conspiracy theory. .
In one sense, I am claiming that there is a conspiracy, although not a very secret one. Several progressive organisations, especially those funded by the EU, are putting out very misleading statistics. Of course, both sides of the debate are guilty of bias, but this is whole-scale bias coming from publicly funded institutions! All I am pointing out is that most of the studies coming out of public universities are NOT politically neutral. Even if the percentage of the european population that is muslim seem relatively low now, do the math. I would also point out that demographics can rapidly change within a relatively short period of time. In the American state of California, for instance, over 85 percent of the population was White in 1960. 50 years later, fewer than 30 percent of the children are White, and the states population has grown 230 percent, almost all of that growth fueled by immigration, and the high fertility rates of the Hispanic immigrants. What will western europe be like in 50 years? What will it be like for norwegians, dutch, french, t.ex, to be a minority in their own countries? Pakistanis and Somalis already have their own countries were everyone is [at least relatively] closely ethnically and culturally similar to eachother. Why will ethnic western europeans be the only ones without their own distinct countries? Why do the jews feel so strongly that they need to have their own jewish nation? We are already seeing that there will not be enough good paying jobs for all these people. It is going to lead to a deep class divide in european society, either that or high unemployment rates. I am sure these high unemployment rates will fuel Islamic fundamentalism in europe. It is not a conspiracy theory. Europe is becoming Islamicised. Just go to Paris, London, Berlin, Frankfurt, Cologne, or Malmö and see for yourself.
I gave you a respected source. Of course Universities have no need to be PC which is why if the conspiracy which originally was that Muslims were going to breed us out of existence were true, it would have been proved long ago. The very reality that respected Academics do not agree with you is the reason non academics like Bat Ye'or are paraded out as 'experts' by the anti islam extremists when said person does not even possess a degree. For the UK in recent years our largest immigrant population has been white East Europeans and subject to the same resentment as new immigrants always receive. The math presents me with no problem. As I have said above, that is the conspiracy problem. good point....so the best you can hope for in your arguments is to try and create a fearful fantasy What is wrong with Hispanics? New immigrants always have higher birth levels. However our West Indian population last time I looked had even lower birth levels than white people and with their high level of producing with the indigenous people, there are certainly integrating on even a physical level. As immigrants become accepted and settled they become our people. The US is a country of immigrants. The native population having been over run by others from all over the world. No idea. My worst nightmare is some slave labour ghetto but that would not be created by immigrants. However the future may hold many things. We may become more collective. We may change our banking system. We make work less and put more in for the common good. Hopefully we will have worked hard to produce integration of all our people.....but who knows the furure. How we act today does create it. Supremacy has not been known to produce good. I think you are getting into fairy tales again. There is no evidence of this. Anders you are a White National. You don't want anyone in Europe but white people no Jews, no Asians, no Blacks. For you it is just about trying to create fear of the other to get rid of them. Indeed for you the fear is integration. Bingo you have confirmed what I said above! Anders I don't know your age but the job thing is one of the other classic 'blame the immigrants'. Britain is already extremely class divided. Social mobility is dead. Equality of opportunity and social justice are no longer in the vocabulary. There are indeed problems. Previously both Unions and local government used to work to form cohesion and provide support for those who are not receiving social justice or who are victim of discrimination. Both were decimated by Thatcher. Now local government cleans the streets, remove the rubbish and provides lighting and that is about it and working men's clubs which offered so much support and education have been sold off with the churches. NuLabour left it's roots to fend for themselves and the far right has jumped at the chance to try and fill the hole. There are issues which need dealing with on that I agree. Your solution has however already been tried with horrendous consequences. That Europe has some Muslim immigrants is certainly true that they will be ruling Europe in 2050 years is the conspiracy theory. Indeed a lot of work needs to be done to change this Paris immigrant slum into this Mixing and integration.
Because we are told to be tolerant. That’s basically a code for being indifferent. The left hijacked our principle of being tolerant and used it against us to force us to be indifferent to mass immigration and all foreign cultures, even if they are hostile ones. The fact that anybody who now actually openly defends European Christian culture is seen by some fellow Europeans as being "unorthodox" or "in-tolerant" is frightening. It stinks of mass brainwash. Muslims will no doubt capitalize on this nihilism. They, along with countries such as Russia, China and Japan are not hampered by this thing we call tolerance (indifference).
There is no significant threat from these Islamists. I worry more about radical christians that want to impose religion based laws and values onto me. After a millenium of religious rule and centuries of recovery, I think Western Europe won't turn back into the dark ages very fast.
I don't think that European will not to act for that their countries stay in a correct situation. If immigration was well managed, with a little number of immigrants, it will be a well thing for the European countries; but now, it's very badely managed and it's the problem for everybady, for the immigrants and for the natives European. Europe should change completely the politics of immigration and of integration: less immigrants more well integrated.
Yeah, those dang Christians. You might be asked to go to church. Can't have that. Better to lose your head over indifference.
Europa can not already change anything, Muslims had won the battle for Europe.It will be a short period of De-christianisation, most of churches will be transformed to Mosques, probably in forty years Europa will became a caliphate. The brainless and corrupt "politicians" will immediately embrace Islam, the same will do 90 % of all fluffy-bunny "christians".It is too late to stop Islamization.
I don't think so; for exemple in France, I don't know if it's a well thing or not, but the favorite party of the young french people is the National Front...: http://lci.tf1.fr/politique/electio...en-candidate-preferee-des-jeunes-7120588.html People are less and less toleants with the immigrants in Europe.
The first point is from where Europeans will get children? An average European family has 1 - 2 kids, the Muslim one from 5 - 7 till 15 - 20. The second point is that only a Strong Fundamentalist Christianity can still stop Islam. No one corrupted dumb "politician" could ever stop a Religion. Nowhere.
Still living in the 15th C then? http://www.class.uidaho.edu/ngier/parallels.htm That what your after Ostap?
Wiki image on population growth Even if the projections are wrong i don't see any difference between annoying christians and annoying muslims, if anyone has a good plan how to get rid of both please post.
It depend where in Europe; in Ireland and in France, people have 2 child, it is enough, I think. And in Europe, have 15-20 is very rare, even for the immigrants. Where I live there's a lot of Arab person, and no one have 15 childs; they have 6 child maximum. That's to hard to have a lot of child in Europe; that's very expensive to, and a lot of immigrant haven't a lot of monney. I think a patriot person can do it to; as if the religion is better for that, you're right in this point.
The irony is that, only a few decades ago, progressives were waging a full out assault against conservative Christianity, and they largely succeeded. Now, Islam is is fast growing, and the progressives are actively encouraging it and trying to protect it from criticism. All this despite the fact that these forms of Islam are far less compatible with progressive humanist values than conservative Christianity ever was. At least conservative Christians did not want to behead gays and force women into a life of servitude.
Note how you say Islam is growing. Your argument is against a whole religion and especially the brown skinned followers. Your argument is a hate one. Of course progressives or anyone with less than a far right xenophobic agenda will criticise that. Muslims are not one block. They come from many different countries and communities and there are many different forms of Islam. There is no one central area which can speak for all Muslims. However both Muslim haters and Islam extremists try to present it as this and by so doing to create it more as so. Ironically one of the reasons British Muslims started to identify by their collective religion, and there are many but one of them was that our mainly Asians Muslim immigrants, often from countries where there was some antagonism towards each other, found when they tried to integrate that they suffered from serious racial prejudice. I was around at the time and witnessed this first hand. May 1990, Iqbal Wahhab http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/images/stories/pdfs/asian-british-and-muslim-in-1990.pdf Christians and Muslims in Western societies both have freedom to practice their own faiths as do every one else. There is in no way the blanket hatred attempted on Christians which I am certainly glad of. Nonetheless it remains that fundamental Christianity, fundamental Judaism and Fundamental Islam are all cause for concerns and should all be treated in a similar manner.
I'm after the US Fundamentalist Protestantism of 19th century.I do not believe that anything was wrong in those days.
If you go to Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavia, UK you can see that more as a third of youth are Muslim immigrants.In this countries more as 80 % of all Muslims do not have any work because they get meaningful benefits from governments. The more children they have the more money they will receive.With two children Muslims are still poor, but with fife or more they can afford themselves expensive cars, houses,additional wifes, big accounts in Switzerland, everything is gives away by Nord-European taxpayers.
I don't know for these country... But a lot of people say that in UK there where a lot of problem with the immigrants... Right, this is a big problem... European government should stop to give money at everybody! Make people welfare recipient is a big mistake; people should work...
The problem is there are not enough decent paying jobs for everyone. The UK is getting more and more expensive as millions of people crowd into the cities where the jobs are. Even many native Britains are having difficulty finding a job that will pay them enough to rent a house. But so long as a single job exists, no matter how bad paying, the Conservative Party is determined to bring in more migrants. Then when all these migrants do not earn enough to afford housing, Labour gives them free handouts. The middle class taxpayers are being made to subsidise cheap labour for big business. If these migrants will not even be able to earn enough to take care of themselves, the question is why any more of them are being allowed in. related thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/immig...s-do-not-earn-enough-even-afford-housing.html Though it would be FAR from ideal, I would advocate wage subsidies from the government to keep migrants working and off the dole. The businesses that employ mostly migrant labour should be the ones paying extra taxes to fund this. It is a bad idea to have so many radical muslims sitting idly away in public housing, contemplating how to implement sharia law.
