Isn't It Funny...

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  1. ECA

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    Nope...opinion only

    Hahaha...now THAT is funny

    I'm well informed...just don't have a need to brag about it like you do
     
  2. bringiton

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    They steal because the idiotic, evil, and insane policy of drug prohibition has made their drugs unaffordable.
    It is proof that your claim is false.
    Anecdotal evidence -- which you have not even presented -- means nothing.
    And getting the fix makes them feel better, so they are pursuing happiness. You just think your opinion trumps their rights.
     
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    I’m all for decriminalizing drugs, but to sit there and say drug use is a victimless crime is nonsense.
    I dare anyone to take a look at kids who’ve been taken away from their parents, because mom and dad were junkies, and not call them victims. Anyone ever seen a newborn addicted to some narcotic? It’s not pretty.
    Go to Mexico and tell some mother who’s looking for their kid in a mass grave, that there’s no victims associated with drugs, or the drug trade.

    Granted, I think drug laws have created most of the negative consequences, but to sit there and act like nobody else is affected by somebody else’s drug use is dishonest.
     
  4. bringiton

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    False.
    It is self-evident that you have not only never studied logic, but never held a logic textbook in your hands.
    No. You are most certainly not well informed. You are massively and transparently uninformed, especially on the principles of logic. And you know it.
     
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    It is a fact. Using drugs does not violate anyone else's rights.
    They are definitely victims. They are victims of the evil and insane WAR on drugs, which arbitrarily turned their parents into criminals.
    Lots of medical problems aren't pretty. That doesn't make them crimes. Duh.
    <sigh> Are there any mass graves of victims of the nicotine trade? No? Oh, wait a minute, maybe that's because even though nicotine is more addictive than heroin, there is no WAR on nicotine. Ever think of that?
    We didn't say no one was negatively affected. Lots of people are negatively affected when other people exercise their rights to liberty. But the negative effects of drug prohibition vastly outweigh the negative effects of drug use.
     
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    It seems to me you don't think period. I am in no position to change the law by myself so that point is wholly absurd and all laws that are not constitutionally compliant ARE the problem, never mind illegal despite what you "think". The founders needed a revolution to change draconian laws. I'm not necessarily saying we need a revolution to change some of these laws but there are just way too many of them that are unconstitutional and require wholesale change. That is never going to be accomplished by one person, never mind just me. Having said that, I do have a list of suggested constitutional amendments that I believe will restore our Constitutional Republic if they are all ratified. See Post #37:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/proposed-constitutional-amendments.507699/page-2

    In other words you have no reasonable solution of any kind. I at the very least have done the research over the last couple of decades and can make recommendations. You OTOH want "to try to find out why people want to alter their minds" for what purpose who knows but certainly not to recommend any solution since you didn't state such. In fact you just want to incarcerate them all, period. That is your one and only solution, which isn't any kind of reasonable or even humane solution.
     
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    Nope, they steal because they can't keep a job and need to get a fix.

    Nice spin, the need for the fix is because they got addicted. My lord
     
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    Sorry, but this has to be the dumbest response ever.
    Yeah, when you smoke meth all by your lonesome, you’re not violating other people’s rights. When you rob, and victimize others to support your habit, then you are violating other people’s rights. What about that concept baffles you so?

    So the evil instance drug war made parents neglect their children so they can get high?
    Please explain that leap of logic.

    Dumb. Babies don’t pop out of the womb addicted to drugs for no reason. On the other hand, they’re born addicted, and face life long challenges, because woman decided to put her drug habit over the welfare of the child she was carrying. That newborn is a direct victim of its mother’s drug use. Derp.

    WTF are you talking about? No nicotine is not more addictive than heroine.
    But, you are half right. If there were no black markets for narcotics, there probably wouldn’t be any mass graves in Mexico. But, that’s not the reality we face. If you choose to inject heroine in your body, you’re just as complicit as the narcos, and the US Federal Government. Cartels don’t run on fairy dust, and unicorn farts. They operate on the cold hard cash they get from drug users that buy their products.

    This is the only coherent point you’ve made.
     
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    It is an indisputable fact of objective physical reality.
    So you agree I am right and you are wrong. Good. That is the beginning of wisdom.
    The part where when you use the drug, you rob or victimize other people even though no one else is there.
    Before heroin was prohibited, there were about 250,000 heroin addicts in the USA, most of them ordinary housewives. They did not neglect their children to get high because the drug was AFFORDABLE. Child neglect and abuse was orders of magnitude worse with ALCOHOL.
    By far the biggest cause of drug-related congenital defects and life-long challenges is alcohol, which many addicts also use because not being prohibited, it is so much cheaper than their less harmful drug of choice.
    Yes, it is.
    That is nothing but evil, blame-the-victim filth. Addicts are mentally ill. They feel sick, and they know what they have to do to feel well again.
    Which is only profitable because of PROHIBITION. HELLO???
     
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    No, you are again just factually incorrect. They steal because even if they have a job, they don't make enough to pay the inflated prices for prohibited drugs.
    They would be able to get a fix without stealing if their rights to pursuit of happiness were not being systematically violated by the evil and insane War on Drugs.
     
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    Nope. They steal because they chose to use a drug known for being highly addictive and as a result of being addicted they can’t keep a job and therefore resort to stealing to feed their habit. Stupid is as stupid does.
     
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    So you still don’t grasp that drug use has repercussions that affects others. Got it.

    The part where when you use the drug, you rob or victimize other people even though no one else is there.

    Oh knock the drama queen bs off. What universe do you live in, where a action doesn’t have a reaction?
    I’m doesn’t matter what sob story you wanna spew, as soon as you put that cash in that drug dealer’s hand you are complicit in fueling the cycle of violence.

    Where Did you learn to read?
     
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    That is objectively false. Many addicts hold jobs. They steal because ordinary jobs don't pay enough to pay the artificially high prices for prohibited drugs.
    The millions of addicts who have jobs refute you.
    Which is why the USA has been paying trillions to keep millions of quite harmless Americans locked in cages, make them permanently unemployable and thus dependent on public charity, and destroy their lives.
     
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    It's their drug use that makes and keeps them unemployable and they steal to feed that habit. Addicts don't just ruin their lives they ruin the lives of close family members both financially and by sucking the joy out of their very existence.
     
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    No, that is false, as proved by the millions of people who use drugs and still hold jobs. Your claims are just objectively false.
    No, they steal because their rights to liberty have been forcibly stripped from them.
    That's funny, because somehow, before heroin was prohibited, about 250,000 Americans were heroin addicts, and no such thing happened. It was universally known at the time that alcohol was incomparably more destructive than heroin.

    Your claims continue to be objectively and provably false.
     
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    Do you actually read what you write? So you're blaming their low paying jobs and high price of drugs for them stealing? So, they know meth or heroine is highly addictive. They know both are highly destructive. They know both are expensive and they know they don't make much money to support an addictive habit of drugs that cost too much...and you want to blame their stealing on drugs being illegal??? Um...seriously? Wow
     
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    So you still don't grasp the difference between actions having repercussions on others and those actions violating their rights. Got it.
    Still waiting for the explanation of that....
    Objecting to millions of innocent people being locked in cages and having their lives arbitrarily destroyed is not "drama queen bs." It is more moral than anything you have ever done.
    The one where merely having an effect on others is not the same thing as violating their rights.
    That is nothing but evil, blame-the-victim filth.
    <yawn> I scored 170/170 on the GRE verbal. You did not.
     
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    No, I am correctly blaming the evil and insane policy of drug prohibition.
    Before heroin was made illegal, there were about 250,000 heroin addicts in the USA. They did not steal to buy heroin because heroin was affordable. Which part of that are you having so much trouble understanding?
     
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    You want to blame something other than the people actually using highly addictive drugs. Yeah...that makes sense. You’re not a personal responsibility kind of person, eh?
    What factual proof do you have that those using heroin prior to 1924 never stole to buy heroin?
     
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    You see how well government indoctrination works. Look how many are so easily sucked in by such a draconian system that they rabidly defend it and even promote it. In Nazi Germany over 90% of the citizens adored Adolf Hitler. These monsters had it down to a science.

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

    They will never see or understand that the phony war on drugs is a racist and hugely profitable scam that the legal and prison industries thrive on, not to mention the drug cartels. Portugal decriminalized drugs years ago and the result is far less drug addicts and of course a massive reduction in crimes. That's the difference between the US government's insane, draconian and unconstitutional system and Portugal's intelligent approach to the drug problem. You are not going to convince those who are so easily duped by propaganda.
     
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    Alcohol will steal your life from you but it takes longer than heroin. Don't believe me go party a few weekends with a heroin dealer.
     
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    You do how limp wristed and cliche that sounds? Liberals have been spouting this clap trap since the 1960s, nobody has ever cared and still don't.
     
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    You tell me....when I was young and stupid I tried LSD and psylociben mushrooms Maybe two or three times. Tell me how in the he(* that stuff could save lives? Think you've done it much more than I ever did.
     
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    Don't tell me I do not know about liberty. I have an ex son in-law meth head that lives your kind of liberty. Pays no child support (court ordered) to my daughter and four year old son and she spends a lot of time in court with restraining orders etc. As well as going to school and work full time. I myself must now pack some heat, as she does, because we never know what he might pull off. Your ideas make for fertile ground for the scum of the earth to flourish. You know nothing of real liberty. Neither does the ex-son in law.
     
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    You make all the recommendations you want. What makes you so haughty? You think you think but you don't. The laws are the way they are because the majority knows better. Maybe you want the freedom to alter your mind so that you can better live with who you are. That is very sad. How do you think with your altered mind? and you want to make recommendations to the rest of us????Ha!HAhA!
     

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