Israel a historical Aggressor, not only re Iran?

Indeed, Im not aware of britain even declaring any right of conquest.

 

Bendor makes such claims all the time............

 

That's because gullible American members of the Guilt Complex are very easy to fool, and Zionists extremists know that.

 

Well done on providing us with another unsolicited Strawman. You need to invest in better quality ammunition. I don't even read your threads any more when a brief scan yields "Jihadist", because I know it is another non-contribution off-topic rant.

 

No one lived there... it is a desert... bedouins passed by...

The Only, I repeat the only part that belongs to Egypt is till the line Rafa Suez and all of you take that to the bank.

You all can dish it and none of you can take it.

 

I also can't prove how long the piece of string is.

I find it interesting. I claim that certain quotes and sources have anti-israeli spin and you start in on holocaust misuse and american guilt complex (although most use the euro-guilt label). Hmmmmmm.

When I use the term anti-Israeli I mean the government, not the people. And there's a lot to criticize with Bibi and the boys as there is with every government on earth.


Unfortunately in the western media, nobody seems to want to mention that BiBi isn't interested in any peace that does not include all of the west bank becoming part of Israel although they (Likud) are rather vague about what they'd do with the current population - they sure wouldn't make them citizens. That position is a non starter just like the 67 borders and right of return are on the other side.

Its great for history buffs and certainly it makes sense to debunk some of the myths/lies/propaganda surrounding event, but it isn't going to change anyone's position nor the "facts on the ground" as they have been established to date.

 

I make such claims because of my background in E D U C A T I O N... what is yours????????????

As far as borders are concerned… I suggest reading on…

My research on the Legal and Historical background of the Sinai Peninsula led me to Colonel Richard Meinertzhagen's book entitled "Middle East Diary 1917-1956". Colonel Richard Meinertzhagen was on Lord Allenby’s Staff in the Middle East during this Period when Egypt was freed from the yoke of the Ottoman Empire...

In some of his writings he mentions that the old Turkish-Egyptian boundary before 1906 ran from RAFA in the North to SUEZ in the Southwest. The whole of East, Central and Southern Sinai (DIAMOND SHAPED [Rafa-Suez-Sharm El Sheik-Taba back to Rafa]) was thus part of the Ottoman Empire... (This is corroborated in the Roman Maps offered by Mohamed Atta)

In October 1906 Turkey granted Egypt ADMINISTRATIVE rights in Sinai up to the line RAFA to TABA near Elath on the Gulf of Akaba. (THE DIAMOND SHAPED PART).

Allenby conquered the whole of Turkish-Sinai EAST of the SUEZ-RAFA line, thus this DIAMOND PART of the Sinai Peninsula belonged to Britain then, as it liberated it from the TURKS, and was then at its disposal after liberating Egypt, Palestine and Syria. (See Map page 64 in Middle East diary 1917 – 1956)

This DIAMOND SHAPED PART which belonged to England and to which Egypt was granted Administrative rights only by the Turks previously... WAS NOT PART AND PARCEL OF EGYPTIAN TERRITORY.

 

You majored in education and don't know what a British Protectorate is??????

 

I know that adequately... but you rely it seems, on the figment of your imagination, indoctrination, hear say, name dropping and the rest which cannot be part of any REAL history!

The definition of Egypt's modern history has varied in accordance to different definitions of Modernity. Some scholars date it as far back as 1517 with the Ottomans’ defeat of the Mamlūks in 1516–17.

However, most scholars have agreed that Modern history of Egypt starts with Muhammad Ali's rule and his launching of Egypt's modernization project that involved building a new army and suggesting a new map for Egypt.

In 1882, the Khedivate of Egypt becomes part of the British sphere of influence in the region, a situation that conflicted with its position as an autonomous vassal state of the Ottoman Empire. The country became a British protectorate in 1914 and achieved independence in 1922.

We are talking about the official map of the Ottoman Turk in the Sinai Peninsula of October 1906 when Turkey granted Egypt ADMINISTRATIVE rights in Sinai up to the line RAFA to TABA near Elath on the Gulf of Akaba. (THE DIAMOND SHAPED PART).

 

Egypt was only nominally under the Ottoman Empire... and not so anyone would notice.

Basically a big so what? Israel or Judah was a vassal state to every power in the region during its history... and paid tribute to them.

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/231429-jews-justice-palestinians.html#post1060832517

 

And it will no longer happen again, come hell or high water. Right, Margot?

 

Israel's best hope is to withdraw from the occupied territories.. If they keep picking fights, Israelis will continue leaving .. and Israel will be left with the Ultra conservative settlers who won't work and won't serve in the military.

If the Israelis were smart, they would throw Bibi into the sea and negotiate a just peace.. They will have the support and backing of ALL the Arab states.

 

This is because one can't help to observe that many followers of Israel can't seem to defend Israel without relying heavily on Holocaust abuse by wrongly accusing political critics of being "anti-Israel" or "anti-Israeli" or "anti-Jew". If you don't like this situation, then condemn many Zionists for discrediting your argument.

Israel refers to the government, Israeli refers to the people. So, if you want to refer to the government, then don't use "anti-Israeli" since that sounds like you are relying heavily on the typical Holocaust abuse. People are generally critical of actions rather than entities, so if you don't want your arguments to be identified with the common and frequent Holocaust abuse and misused used to defend certain crimes, then you might be interested in viewing criticism as being criticism which is not necessarily anti-entity.

If Israel would like peace instead its current Holocaust abuse practice, then it must focus on accepting its 67 borders.

Nothing changes the fact, not even Holocaust abuse, that the illegal settlers in Palestine will do fine as Palestinian citizens in Palestine unless they choose to return to Israel.

 

you dont need words do you

 

By the way, when the Britain declare itself the rightful owner of egyptian lands by conquest?

Also, what does one have to do to become considered the rightful owners of an area? Given that just living there for generations is not really enough for you...

 

you get yourself a nuclear weapon factory and create havoc and take what you want

if anyone disagrees you launch a war with them reducing their country to rubble

Like the schoolyard bully but on a bigger scale. No brains just muscles.

 

You used "holocaust" five times in this strawman response. I get where you are coming from. Feeling a tad guilty yourself?

Holocaust abuse? I can certainly see how people "abuse" the deliberate industrial exteremination of millions of people. Those darn jews - so sensitive about being the target of genocide after a couple of millenia of progroms and prejudice. Just another jew money grab.......

Yep, its quite obvious to me what you are, and it ain't pretty.

 

How many times I point out that many Zionists are misusing and abusing the Holocaust is irrelevant. What is relevant is your defense of such abuse and its practice. Why are you totally convinced that Israel can only be defended with Holocaust abuse?

WWII was a long time ago and your heavily reliance on Holocaust misuse and abuse can only fool gullible American Guilt Complex members for a limited time span. The main problem with your heavy reliance on Holocaust abuse is that it makes serious matters all the more difficult to take seriously, meaning that your position is heavily hostile against the very Jews you claim that your Holocaust abuse is suppose to "protect".

Fortunately, Jews are not hated as strongly as you seem to desire such, with most criticism against Israel being politically oriented, and this is what makes your heavy reliance on Holocaust misuse and abuse all the more damaging to your cause. Nobody takes you seriously when you express your great need to argue that Jews are being hated by anyone and everyone according to the needs of Holocaust abuse. Sooner or later, gullible American Guilt Complex members are going to read the books and realize that they've been fooled with the wrong cause. The further that WWII drifts away, the more difficult it is going to become for you to defend Israeli crimes with Holocaust abuse.

 

Perhaps, if people such as yourself weren't openly advocating the nuclear destruction of Israel (below) or inciting the extermination of the Jews, you wouldn't be whining about an issue that people with your psychopathic viewpoints are responsible for, Herr TJ the faux-American...

You're right about one thing, though - how many times you whine about the specter of mass-murder raised by the sick fantasies of individuals such as yourself is irrelevant...

 

Such Holocaust misuse and abuse combined with amateur personal attacks is the best you can offer in defense of certain controversial practices by the Israeli government?

Jonsa, is Talon's argument supposed to be Jew-friendly? Can you defend and justify such personal attacks and Holocaust abuse in hopes of proving that Israel is far more wrong than you are willing to admit? You'll likely defend and support Talon's argument simply to further prove that Israel can't be defended without misusing and abusing the Holocaust. Why can't more Zionist construct an argument with some serious political context? Has support for Israel become so hopeless that Zionists have totally given up on defending it?

 

Why bother making such stupid accusations like this?

The Judge has never ever advocated killing anyone.

Your just wasting our time if you dont have the courage to defend your accusation.

 

Cry us a river, Herr TJ.

If people such as yourself weren't openly advocating the nuclear annihilation of Israel, then others wouldn't be raising the specter of mass-murder in response to the morally depraved fantasies expressed by you and others.

Like I said, you're whining about a problem that you helped create. Boo-hoo...

 

Jonsa, see what happens when you defend Holocaust abuse instead of lifting a finger against such? Now, you get to explain why so many followers of Israel can't defend Israel and thus focus on personal attacks in defense of Holocaust abuse. Why do you want to strengthen this problem, and how do you figure that Jews "benefit" from such?

 

We all can see what happens when people such as yourself openly advocate the nuclear destruction of Israel and then bleat about "Holocaust abuse", Herr TJ. They whine about an issue that they are responsible for creating.

 

If more Zionists didn't rely so heavily on Holocaust misuse and abuse, then they wouldn't invent false claims in hope of fooling gullible American Guilt Complex members into believing that people who don't hate Jews are "evil".


Jonsa, how proud do you feel about this frequent exercise of Holocaust abuse that you seem so eager to honor and defend? It is sad that nothing better can be provided in Israel's defense. I hope that Israel won't be remembered as the nation which collapsed due to its heavy reliance on Holocaust misuse and abuse in defense of criminal behavior.


Talon, you got anything else to offer other than personal attacks, racial slurs and anti-Semite hostility aimed at possible Jews who favor "Never Again"? What amazes me the most about your arguments, is that you figure that Israel benefits from racism. If Israel is foolish enough to figure that your arguments serve as good PR, then g-d save the queen because she'll need it.