Israel: US Asks Iran to Not Sink an American Carrier, “Just Kill Some Troops Instead”

US citizens want to become mass murderers now? Do tell.

 

Who cares? Why are we still in Iraq? Bush declared mission accomplished.

 

Obama withdrew U.S. troops. Then he sent them back. The short answer is that nature hates a vacuum. Especially a power vacuum. Personally I'm all for the U.S. keeping troops in any nation we've fought in as long as we wish.

 

Keep them there so they can randomly be killed? Thoughts and prayers? We have zero business in Iraq.

 

Shouldn't you be asking the President who put US troops back in Iraq?

 

Interesting.

Trump is threatenig them, too, but in the other direction, obviously.

 

And, we instigated "deBaathification" which drove Sunnis out of their jobs, creating an opening for ISIS that also began slaughtering Sunnis. Then, we put the Shia militia leader that helped our asault on Sunnis as leader of the Iraqi government - which allowed him to carry out his lethal civil war against Sunnis. And, more recently we bailed on the Kurds, leaving them to run for their lives.

I'm sure they all love America, though.

 

Yup. Let's go back to the crusades baby

 

The effort the west has put into subjugating the ME over the last couple millenia is shocking.

Today the region from Somalia to the border of Turkmenistan and from the border of India to the Med is our own presidential military playground - no objectives, no plans, no congress.

Trillion dollar deficits and crumbling infrastructure be damned.

 

We did not completely bail on the Kurds the given the Shi'a majority election was going to go that way no matter what and it was All Queada turned on their fellow Sunnis. ISIS shows up after Obama pulls out, while scarcely even trying to establish a residual force agreement. We reentered at Iraqi request to take out ISIS and finally did under Trump.

 

He is done with. The current one promised to take us out. Why doesn't he do that now?

 

Obama came to office only a month after America negotiated and signed a new SOFA with Iraq that scheduled the removal of most of our forces to a level where we didn't have the troops our military requires for independent combat missions. The SOFA also made independent combat missions illegal.

Then, you come along and say that Obama didn't increase troop strength in Iraq?

Iraq's leadership and their parliament were dead set against US cobat troops roaming around their country. And, there were sound reasons for them holding that view.

What does it mean for America to make a deal? Should nations consider that it might last for more than 2 months?

And, your comment about ISIS makes no more sense.

 

Well Bush is "done with" too, but that didn't stop you from dragging his name into this. Obama is much more recent and much more relevant since US troops are in Iraq right now because of Obama, not Bush or Trump.

 

The offensive crusades did not end well. Im just for defense at border and leave them alone.

 

The US would significantly reduce regional influence if we were totally out of Iraq. Look where it is situated and remember that Iraq has a Shia majority.

There is real reason for Bolton and those of his persuasion to want a US military presence in Iraq.

Trump doesn't do planning or strategy. He does quick decisions in the moment - "advised" by the sychophants of the day.

 

We're there because we conqquered Iraq.

The calculatiing departure is not the same as the calculation for conquest.

 

Not relevant to what was being discussed.

 

True. I responded to your post.

 

No...you reply/quoted my post. You didn't respond to it.

 

Wrong. The SOFA was incomplete Bush who was running out of time and knew it and left the residual force portion of the SOFA to his successor. ISIS, an Al Queada spin off, doesn't even come into existence until after Obama takes office, blaming Bush for ISIS activities is like blaming Otto von Bismarck for Adolph Hitler.

 

And, we retained he residual force as per the SOFA.

Maliki began his civil war against the Sunni population.

Expecting Sunnis to fight AQI/ISIS, Maliki AND Maliki's militia is ridiculous - it was far beyond their capacity.

And, obviously Maliki didn't want us there, as we probably wouldn't have sided with his slaughter of Sunnis. He carried out ethnic cleansing in cities he believed should belong strictly to Shia. They had been mixed by Saddam, who encouraged mixing.

I would strongly suggest not using WWII analogies. The situation in Iraq was NOTHING like WWII, making such attempts instant fails.

 

Bush and Maliki signed the SOFA of December before Obama took office.

On what grounds do you suggest it was incomplete.

 

You seemed to think the reason we're in Iraq today isn't because of Bush.

I'm just pointing out that as nonsense.

 

The fact that it didn't mention any residual force agreements one way or the other.

 

No it isn't. Obama pulled us out of Iraq in 2011 and put us back in 2014. The troops that are in Iraq are there because of Obama. Sheesh this shouldn't be that hard to understand. You lefties have massive gaps in your recent memory.