Israel will start WWIII

Hey guys again i've been hearing on the news that Israel wants to strike at Iran's nuclear facilities.

If nothing else wont this cause an environmental disaster?

The US is apparently warning Israel against this.

And wait for it the only response from Europe is from Britain who are saying to hold of until they get their oil from Iran what a joke.

Now if Iran sends over 150,000 missles like they threatened to do if they get attacked wont the Israelies use their nuclear weapons?

Wont Russia and maybe even China back Iran since they have financial interests there.

Seriously the whole world should be telling Israel to back off and not to start anything.

I just can't understand why its ok for sanctions against Iran but not against Israel for wanting to start WWIII.

Go figure!

Any thoughts.

 

Yea, Iran pays, supplies and perhaps trains Hezbollah and Hamas who are devoted to the destruction of Israel. Those terrorist groups are proxies of Iran. So basically Iran is engaged against Israel and has been for some time.

Given those circumstances, namely Iran doing whatever it can get away with to attack Israek... then Israel has to assume that if Iran gets nuclear weapons it will continue its policy of doing whatever it can get away with. If a terrorist group, supplied by Iran through its ally Syria, recieves a nuke then Israel may have little or no warning and no proof of Iranian involvement. Its logical then for Israel to have to proactively limit the acquisition of an attacker from adding nuclear weapons to its arsenal.

Iranian nuclear facilities are underground and so if attacked using conventional weapons designed to penetrate underground then the facility should collapse upon itself - with no nuclear explosion. There is a risk of nuclear material escaping and radiation leakage but that is a much less dangerous situation then millions of people burnt to a crisp by a nuke on the Israeli coastline.... and any US retaliation against Iran as a result.

Preemptive strikes therefore are the least worst option, in a hand being dealt by the Iranians.

 

Where is the proof that Iran is helping Hezbollah and Hamas, Iran has missles right and its probably up to date with most other conventional weapons right.

Do Hezbollah and Hamas use such weapons?

As far as i know they are still using sling shots and home made rockets so your arguement falls apart right there.

I think there will be radition blown into the atmosphere and if the wind is blowing in the right direction it may even affect Israel.

Again where is the proof that Iran helps terrorists just because it openly states that it hates Israel it doesn't automatically mean that they help terrorists to destroy Israel.

If they did dont you think Israel would have felt the affects!

Some how i can't see Iran using the nuclear bomb as a pre-emptive strike, if anyone is going to do it it will be the US or Israel imo.

 

We`ll have to wait for any conclusions arrived at by the UN weapons inspectors.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...dZq7Pw?docId=a1868c6f04af42268558405bae47269a

Can the public expect to have access to all of the facts? Yes, but only in fantasy land, we get told what is convenient and uncalssified, which is approximately only slightly less usefull than a chocolate tea pot in the hot sun.

Can we expect Iran not to have an elaborate system of deception in place? Nup.

This issue poses more questions than it provides answers, but a quick look at some of the key players might give us an indication of potential events. It`s inherant in Jewish DNA to finance wars, and to work within a society to gain positions of political influence. Iran does pose a serious threat to Israel, so therein lies the convenient vehicle of "legitimacy" for an agressive / defensive stance by Israel toward Iran.

Iran is a country of hard line islamic fundamentalists, governed by psychopathic fanatics. Representatives of Iran have been rattling their sabres towards Israel for years. Both countries have for years, had the high finance in the right place to acquire any weaponry they desire.

Nobody is backing down here, the smallest spark, in the wrong set of circumstances, could easily ignite a massive conflagration. The motive, the mind set, and the means are all in place.

 

There is a big difference between Iran having nuclear energy, and nuclear weapons.... so Iran should just open up and allow full access for the inspectors and this whole thing should deescalate...

...unless they do actually have a nuclear weapons program, because that would explain there efforts so far in hiding aspects of their program.

 

Iran will never do that. Iran`s leaders can`t afford to be seen to cooperate with the hated infidels, it would be the same as applying for a death sentence.

 

Because Israel are 100% open and honest, yeah?

 

I dont get what you mean. Israel probably has had nuclear weapons for a few decades, and the means to deliver them, but has not used them despite being attacked by proxies of Iran almost continously for decades.

 

Israel has the means and history to attack Iran (never mind they are probably, ie most likely, the ones murdering Iranian nuclear scientists right now) and yet Iran are the aggressors that must be controlled.

Israel has operatives, and alliances with various governments doing nasty things all over the world (as Iran does with Hezbollah), yet Iran is the only "terrorist backer" in the area (oh i suppose the other Arab states are too, just not Jewish ones).

I'm not going to bother getting in another tit-for-tat with people who don't read.

They're both terrorist supporters, with a pretty bad human rights record at home. They both hate each other. They're quite similar really, as are most nations in similar situations.

 

Is this a case similar to Iraq? They do not have nor have the capability for nuclear weapons but put on a show as if they do, similar to Iraq and weapons of mass destruction? Saddam is believed to have thwarted UN weapons inspectors not because he had the weapons but rather to show strength to his enemies.

I would be curious if Iran is doing something similar, I really have no idea just thought I might throw that out. The development of nuclear arms is not cheap, more specifically the missiles and bombs themselves, its one thing to develop the means, its another thing altogether to actually put all the pieces together. I am curious if Iran actually has the means and money to pull it off.

 

My first thought is where are you getting your news from? I've never heard any Israeli official state that they want to attack Iran.

 

ABC thats here in oz.

 

Fine. Which Israeli official has said, "We want to attack Iran?"

 

I cant remember his name but i think he was over there talking to Obama about it, so you should have seen it on the news, that they want to go it alone without support from the US.

 

Haven't seen any Israeli official claim that Israel wants to attack Iran. I have heard several Israelis state that Israel will not permit Iran to build a bomb.

 

Uh huh. You keep asserting Hezbollah and Hamas are linked (or 'proxies' as it were) of Iran, however you still have not even provided the loosest of evidence?

 

When Israel attacked Iraq and Syria, they were attacking single story above ground facilities..

To hit their targets in Iran, Israel will also kill thousands of civilians and destroy the oilfields and infrastructure.

 

Please tell the forum when Israel began to care about civilians casualties. Come on guys, it's a state that's known to have targeted civilians.

 

Hardly, the Palestinian terrorists operate from civilian areas and use civilians as both human shields and delivery agents for explosives (suicide bombers). Its impossible to avoid killing civilians under such circumstances.... but people start to cease being civilians when they are attacking you no matter what they are wearing or their lack of training or organizational association.

 

Uh...Huh...
So resistance to an oppressive and cruel occupation of your land, and your people. That makes one a terrorist? Get your head out of the sand axialturban and see the issue for the humanitarian crisis that it is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-Gaza-hospitals-and-UN-aid-headquarters.html
This one was just one example of many.

 

My heads not in the sand, but it sounds like yours is somewhere warm. Israeli attacks are retaliatory but you cannot control military power 100%, their will be accidents always and civilians will constantly be involved... its just that Palestinian terrorists increase the chances of it by using civilian areas to stage attacks from and retreat into as cover, and using civilians directly. If Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the Palestinian authorities would do their job and stop the terrorism against Israel then we wouldnt have a humanitarian problem. The humanitarian problem is because Israel has to extend its forces to provide security over areas where Arab's are unwilling too. The land is not occupied, it was British territory fought over and held by Commonwealth (incl. Australian) forces in two world wars. The Brits decided to split it into two states. The Palestinians are welcome to live in Israel as Israeli's but instead they choose to reject becoming Israeli's and instead create their own identity and claim oppression... give us a break. Jordan had the West Bank to itself until they decided to join in the 67 attacks on Israel and at that point Israel retailiated and took it. If Jordan had stayed out of it then Israel wouldnt have needed to exert its influence and take control of the area. Dont be so quick to buy the BS being peddled by the ones who are actually causing all the trouble in that part of town. Next thing you'll be talking about Israeli resettlement as the latest provocation, but even that is a natural process of an expanding population and the requirement of the IDF to provide security over the disputed areas given how long this is dragging on. Each time Israel gives Palestian some land in exchange for peace its taken but no peace follows, so Israel tends to have to move back in to provide the security. I think you should take a look at the guys who are lobing rockets indiscriminatly and using women and children as suicide bombers blowing up public buses, that is called 'terrorism' because it targets civilians deliberatly and indiscriminatly... it is not' resistance' which instead would target only military and strategic targets.

 

Israel only needs to destroy the facility at Qum to stop Iran's bomb program. At that site is nowhere near civilian habitation.

 

A tough nut to crack...

How Israel might strike at Iran
27 February 2012 - An Israeli attack would have to cope with a variety of problems

 

Good post.
Israel was founded on terrorism, had used terrorism to get statehood. Then they graduated to hostile aggression to seize more territory and have been using hostile aggression to keep and expand it. They are now hinting that they will use hostile aggression against anyone who even developes the capabilities to defend themselves.

Israel's greatest achievement is to teach the world how successful terrorism can be.

 

Did you copy and paste that from 'Palestinian Manipulation of Truth' coursebook from the 'Palestine, How to make squating into nation building 101' course?

Or was it Anti-Israeli Jihad for Dummies book?

I cant tell because its the same old BS.