It Seems Russia Won’t Require a Winter Offensive to Win the War

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/20...nt-require-a-winter-offensive-to-win-the-war/

The author of the article is a very smart person.
I noticed the fact that there are a lot of smart people among Americans, but unfortunately they are in an information vacuum at the behest of the crazy people in the American government.
And smart Americans fully support the Russians in the war against fascism.
For example, the head and founder of the Russian PMC Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhen, in an interview for a Finnish publication, spoke about fighters of foreign origin in the Wagner structure.
He spoke about the Czech battalion.
And also in response to a question from a Finnish newspaper, he said -
“There are not very many Finnish citizens in the Wagner PMC, about 20 people. But for obvious reasons, I cannot give accurate information about them. As a rule, these are highly qualified specialists, very ideological and motivated.”
Prigozhin also said that the Finns are fighting in a British battalion as part of the Wagner PMC, the commander of which is a US citizen, a former Marine Corps general.

 

You have to love the sources Putinistas cite. If it isn't straight out Russian propaganda it is lunatics, morons, child molesters and, today, anti-semtitic holocaust deniers. Its funny that the same people who claim to be fighting 'Nazis' seem to have no problem with Nazis when they support Putin.

This thread will age as well as the thread claiming Russia is 'mopping up' Ukranian forces.

Garbage In, Garbage Out.

 

You posted the thread THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP in March 23rd of this year. It has been 8 months of “mop up” with Russian loss after loss.

Why is Putin ok with the death of so many of his soldiers if it would be so easy as your above “source” indicates — if one could even call that mess of propaganda a source.

These threads are just embarrassing at this point.

 

Can you validate the US media?

The Kyiv regime has repeatedly claimed to have defeated the Russian forces, yet somehow always needs just another few hundred million dollars in weapons to finish the job.

And that has happened 16 times now.

It is the U.S. media narrative that has repeatedly contradicted itself.

Russia is moving ahead and will eventually complete it's mission.

 

Can you post some sources showing anyone saying that Russia has been completely defeated? I can find a few saying that they have been defeated in individual skirmishes and battles but none saying the war is over.

Unlike the claim that all that is left is “mop up”.

A “few million” is nothing compared to Russia showing just how far they have fallen. I just hope China doesn’t seize the opportunity to make them into a puppet.

 

Real question is will the Ukrainians be able to keep up their momentum and carry on throughout the winter? I think that's what the Russians are bargaining on, winter will force them to stop and then Russia can launch a spring offences with the reserves they've now called up.

 

....says the guy who claimed many months ago that Ukraine was defeated and Russia was 'mopping up'. The only person hiding their head here is you.

The man is an anti-semite and holocaust denier, meaning he is human filth. He fits in perfectly with Putin and his supporters.

 

Yep! Russia is losing fighting Ukraine soldiers so Ruscists decided to go after civilian populations, just like Nazis did in WWII. True Ruscists.

 

China, India and Turkey (yes, NATO Turkey...) are funding Russia's war in Ukraine. We (US) are funding Ukraine's defense. China, India and Turkey are getting cheap(ish) oil in return. We (US) are getting... just our money inflated. Thats it. In this particular brand of attrition, its not about who runs out of strategy first, but rather how much the USD is worth(less) when Russia runs out of conscripts. Unless you're storing your savings in gold or real estate (or you happen to manufacture weapons for NATO...), you should really be pondering how much of a reduction in the purchasing power of your wealth is worth keeping the corrupt Russian govt from toppling the corrupt Ukrainian govt. Will you be able to enjoy cramming your family into a smaller apartment and taking the bus to work instead of driving your own car knowing that 40 million Ukrainians didn't get bumped from the 'low' end of democracy to the 'very low' end of democracy? Maybe you will, idk. But that's really all we're fighting about here. Meanwhile, Turkey (yes, NATO Turkey) is arming up Azerbaijan for a final and decisive attack on its own 'Ukraine' (Armenia)... so we got that one to look forward to next. How poor can we get trying to police the world? Well, I guess we'll find out...

 

The Russians can easily wipe out Ukraine in literally one day and without nuclear weapons. For example, hit a pair of missiles in the dam of the Kyiv reservoir.
But from a politico-economic point of view, the Russians need a protracted war.
1. Russians do not need to destroy Ukraine. Because after joining the regions of Ukraine to Russia, the Russians will have to restore Ukraine.
Therefore, the Russians strike at the key infrastructure and do not touch the cities.
2. A long military operation will bring adequate Ukrainians to their senses. Hunger and cold are the best cure for zombies. Now in Ukraine, the most popular slogan is "Zelensky go away." And what will happen in winter?
3. With small forces and practically no losses, the Russians dispose of the iodine-deficient Ukrainian rabble. Already, the losses of Ukrainians are tens of thousands of personnel.
4. NATO already has a shortage of weapons. The New York Times writes that already now 20 out of 30 countries do not have the physical ability to supply weapons to Ukraine.
5. A long special operation leads to mass protests in the EU. People are coming out hard against the governments of European countries. It's not uncommon to clash with the police. What happens in winter?...
In general, as I think, there is no need for the Russians to rush. They are not in a hurry. They calmly equip their positions, destroy the feeble-minded Ukrainians, destroy key infrastructure...and laugh at the political forecasts of the Western media.

 

Russia lost the war... even if all Ukraine will be destroyed.

 

Putin should just stop this nonsense, but he is too narcissistic to do so

 

Responding to the topic sentence of this thread:

All that President Vladimir Putin will need is for the Republican federal legislators to decide that the United States should stop supporting the Ukrainians. This is a real possibility.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

No surprise, you've forgotten what Sleepy Joe has said numerous times: We will keep delivering weapons and $ to Ukraine for as long as it takes.

Sleepy Joe is just a puppet, but his masters are the ones who should stop the nonsense, but that ain't gonna happen. The US and NATO practice military aggression. They are the most dangerous crooks in the world.

 

The Russians don't have to stop. They need to liberate Europe as well.



Interview of a Russian deputy for a French edition.
Read the comments. Find out what the French think.

 

Putin will soon stop the spread of fascism. Be patient a little, the Russians will soon be liberated and Europe.

 

Putin started this war, he can end it any time he likes by calling off his soldiers

 

What? Smart Americans? Plus this thing reads like fluff pieces. A neocon could be very smart and rational.

He can have an understandable stance. For example, thinking this is a great opportunity to bleed Russia. Russia has been our number 1 adversary. The funding terrorist in Afghanistan greatly weakened it. Since then, it has been steadily on the rise.

During Putin's first tenure as president, the Russian economy grew on average by seven percent per year, following economic reforms and a fivefold increase in the price of oil and gas. Russia has also started to form their own blocks abroad. Take BRICS for example

BRICS is an economic block consisting 5 of countries. Brazil. Russia. India. China. South Africa. However BRICS is poised to expand. In 2021 it accepted Bangladesh, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Uruguay as members of its New Development.

Argentina, Mexico, Egypt and Indonesia are all pushing hard to join. Moscow and Tehran announced after the summit that Iran had applied to join. And when Ramaphosa visited Saudi Arabia last month, Riyadh also declared its interest.

This could be considered a good thing

-introducing African countries into its economic block would incentivize other African countries to do the same if they see benefits. If enough African countries join, perhaps they would seek to unite to have a bigger say so.

-Brings peace in the middle east by establishing working relationships with Saudi Arabia and Iran

But this would be the worst nightmare to a neocon. The last person who spoke about unifying Africa was a leader of a richest African countries. After years of US fermenting unrest by funding radical anti government groups, he ended up dead with a knife stuck up his butt. The last thing we need is for Africa to unify and cause energy prices to soar. But what if all the big producers unify under singular economic block? What would it mean for the west which consumes do much energy?

You add to that that Putin has been trying to modernize the Russian forces, and you definitely have a no bueno.

Ukraine is definitely a good opportunity to bleed Russia a bit.

A neocon view on everything is adversarial. And they has been playing the game of cat and mouse for a long time. So they take every opportunity. Whether it's justified or not. Whether it's provocative. The word as hole doesn't matter. Only international power and keeping it.

Those games don't interest me. There are clearly defined border of Uzs and their military block. As long as they don't get crossed, I could care less.

It's all a game. And by pointing out that we play by the same game, and have been doing it for a long time. And that we are masters of this game.The neocons get triggered. Because their number one tools are moral blackmail and fear mongering

While I may disagree with the existence of this game and wish that we should stop pretending, I understand why a smart neocon who has such a political stance would lie and cheat. And then lie about it. And ignore all else. Because their over arching world view is supreme

 

Your link requires the wearing of tin foil hats.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/?s=Paulcraigroberts.org

"The eight-month old Kremlin policy of protecting Ukraine from attack ..." Seriously? Or is that an error? It's the Kremlin doing the attacking, ffs.

"The Western whore media ..." Major hyperbole, crude and sexist reference, and just downright nasty. Who wrote that garbage you copied and pasted? Yeah, they're not biased at all.

Russia is not waging war against fascism. They are waging war against Ukraine because Putin wants to regain as much of the old Soviet Union as he can. Fighting fascism is just the bullshit story he's telling his people in order to keep them from revolting.

I don't know where you live or where you're from, but perhaps you'd be happier in Moscow.

 

Turkey should have their NATO membership revoked.

 

The OP expresses so much anti-American propaganda it a wonder that he or she isn't living in Russia. Geebus, what a load of hate-filled, raging crap.

 

Not that I necessarily disagree, but that's not going to happen. Turkey controls access to the Black Sea, a major port hub for Russia. Sanctions against Russia would be substantially more difficult to enforce without Turkey's participation. And likely, if Turkey weren't in NATO, it would just cooperate more with Russia, or even just straight up ally with it. Turkey is playing both sides, and not really even hiding it because it holds most of the cards here.

 

I agree. But its not completely bullshit. Though it's just a dumb excuse

 

It's really amazing the sewers some people will park their minds on.

 

I believe I said should, not would. But agreed on all else. I understand the strategic value of that alliance, it just makes me sick.