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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With you, there is no logical conclusion.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As long as you agree with me.
     
  3. struth

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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is the actual report.

    Surprise surprise

    I know most avid Fox followers are flabbergasted when they learn that Mueller didn't exonerate Trump, but actually proved that he's a criminal. So don't feel bad. You're not alone.
     
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    I genuinely wish to be but none of your posts in this thread are informative about the subject at hand.

    I have some ideas of how illegal immigration can be stopped or why illegals should be treated harsh, as criminals which they are, to further deter the future ones. I may be wrong, I don't dismiss it.

    Maybe you wish to detail, I will thank you.
     
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  6. struth

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    There was nothing to exonerate. There was no crime found
     
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    So he is in the same league as the last 10 or so presidents.

    How many illegals a year does it take to be a problem that's worth discussing?
     
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    Are you talking about the camps cages that Obama put illegal immigrants in?
     
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  12. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I guess we assume that people who participate here are already moderately informed.

    Where would I even start? It's not just a matter of your position being "wrong". It's simply objectively immoral.

    Why do you think so-called "illegals" enter illegally? You think they're just... "evil"... or something?
     
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    Well... I just showed you four that blow your "Mueller disagrees with you" statement out of the water. So I guess cult mentality vs facts, cult will win every time. So no use in trying... Thanks anyway.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. I think Trump making a political show of it and his base cheering as if he had solved infrastructure, healthcare, climate change or even the U.S. men's soccer crisis.... is fascist.
     
  15. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Nope. Most of the last 10 Presidents have made progress (in varying degrees) in those and other important areas.

    I don't know. But I was just in Costa Rica for my vacations. They tell me during the last census (2010) count was about a 5 million population, including 1 million illegal immigrants. That's 20% of the population. That was in 2010 They've been receiving a steady stream of refugees from the northern triangle too in the last five years.. Also from Venezuela and Colombia. It's a problem. Especially because this is an underdeveloped nation. But... they manage. Illegal immigration is not, by far, what they consider their most pressing issue right now.

    20%. That would be equivalent to 30 million illegal immigrants here. We have about 11 million right now. I don't know what the number you seek is, but we are far from illegal immigration becoming a major problem.
     
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    So you think we need more illegals. Hell guess we should just get rid of the border all together and take a couple hundred million.
     
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    I think they are looking for a better life.
    So does a bank robber.

    So I do not think they are criminals, that is a FACT. Entering or staying illegal is a crime. Once you accept it, we can move forward:

    How do we generally stop crimes? Education or by the punishment resulted by committing the crime, that will deter the crime for happening in the first place or deter future ones by example.

    Regarding the context at hand, we dismiss education so I ll tackle the second one:

    Let me start with an example:
    In my country, if you are a corrupt politician that took bribes or you scheme the state for personal enrichment you get to jail. Reasonable, but not enough.
    ALL politicians stole as much as they could, eventually received the sentence and served some years in jail and then got out rich.
    I can tell you right ahead, I will go to jail for a couple of years(2-5) for a couple of millions. You will do too, like everybody.
    The punishment was not enough. It did not deter the crime.

    The law was changed, the punishment for the same crime changed to besides jail time, to confiscate ALL your wealth, of your family, of your kids, and everyone connected.
    Suddenly, all the politicians stopped doing the crime.

    Do you get the ****?

    To summarize, illegal immigration can only be stopped by enacting harsher punishments than the current ones(I do now know them but I guess that they are completely lacking).

    Enact the death sentence for the crime of entering or staying illegal, I bet you after the first executions, all illegal immigration in America will stop the next day.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. I'm talking about Trump's new political show about rounding up undocumented Americans and deporting them tomorrow. Which, of course, would never happen. Just show for his gullible base. Pure fascism.

    BTW, who's Obama?
     
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    Sure.
    You are a liberal who can’t understand what you support.
    If you support unions, then how can you support illegal immigrants?
    That’s like being pro-life and pro-choice at the same time. That makes you a corrupt slime that will say anything just to obtain political power.
     
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    Perhaps the announcement was made prematurely in order to provoke more illegal aliens to flee willingly before they were found and arrested.
     
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    I have no empathy for illegal aliens who break our laws and take our jobs, I'm sorry I just don't. Kate Steinle was murdered by one, so no I can't stand them!!
     
  23. Golem

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    I said it's a problem, but not one of our main problems.

    The fact that you have to make up a strawman means you can't respond to what I really said. So my case is made.

    Thanks for the effort.
     
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    Round them up, when did the dems start being anti-american? Look I understand you all need them for votes, but they break our laws and should not be allowed here.
     
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    So enforcing the law = totalitarian.?

    No. You're wrong. It doesn't. That's not debatable.

    And you want innacurate?.....no problem.

    From your first post. You referred to where they stay as concentration camps. That is grossly inaccurate. You also referred to them as americans. That is a lie.

    In your second post you claim you 'translated' the tweet. This is inaccurate at best as i just pointed out how absurd your first post was.

    In your fourth post you compare this administration to a dictatorship. That is a lie as you are again saying that enforcing the law is acting like a dictatorship. You've simply changed your language from 'totalitarian' to 'dictatorship'. The lie is still the same though.

    Now, I'm not going post by post pointing out your lies and inaccuracies. Your unwillingness to be honest is your problem, i just pointed it out.
     

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