It took a black man to make me do the right thing

In about a year from now, Obamacare will be in full swing and graciously accepted by all. In order to help fund high quality health care for 50 million poor Americans, I will be paying about $30,000 for my family health plan which before Obamacare cost about $7,000 a year.

I will be okay with it and I will make up for the difference by trimming my budget and doing without disposable income for frivolous and fun things.

I have always known that I should have been sharing much more with the poor, but I just couldn't volunteer to do it. Fortunately, Mr. Obama is enjoining me to do it -- and I know that I will be a much better and more patriotic American because of it. It will help to relieve my guilt and allow me to repent and amend my selfish ways. I will have peace of mind and sleep much better. I know that everyone feels the same way.

Yours in the cause ... ,

nom de plume

 

Great sentiment, but there is just one little problem. You won't really be helping them. I had a brother who was studying in Europe, and got pretty sick, he went to the student health center (the local socialized health station, the kind the poor would use) but he arrived to late AT 10 IN THE MORNING! It turns out that center closed at 9 a.m. Point being it would be better to be a charity case on our system than on theirs.

 

Looks like you need to shop around for insurance
Are you sure your agent is not trying to rip you off

 

Maybe he's just making up a story, I have noticed that almost every right winger has seen his insurance quadruple.
Which is surprising since this year has had one of the lowest increases in health Care costs of the last 50 years.
Most Americans get their insurance through their work, that isn't changing, mine went up $6/month.
Which is nothing.
Don't any of them have jobs?

 

I agree with you
I think it is BS
But I'm waiting to see what he answers

 

Willful ignorance by liberals is not an excuse.

 

So are you still on your parent's insurance?
Do you have insurance?
Do you have a job that provides insurance?
How much has your insurance gone up?

Quoting morons is no substitute for data.....

 

And it isnt just the rates that are the issue. Deductibles far higher than people not maing six figure incomes can afford are thereal kick in the teeth. Until Obama care came along I never heard of a deductible of more than a thousand dollars, now I'm hearing of deductibles in the 10k range and higher. Who the hell can afford that?

 

Yet, wanton worship of wealth by conservatives is touted as a virtue. How is it so?

 

read the OP
READ IT SLOW

 

Better to have cheap, useless, non comprehensive insurance that doesn't actually cover too much, I guess. Policies for 12 cents a week that cover absolutely nothing is always preferable.

 

just throwing it out there again, a single payer system would cost over half a trillion dollars LESS than our current healthcare plan

 

Everyone's insuarnce is going up. Soon we will have insurance rates similar to the most expensive states in the union - like Massachusetts.

 

But that's SOCIALISM !
Yeah, I think paying less for a better product is the new definition of SOCIALISM.....

 

[sarcasm]There are no consequences ever to allowing government to control and dictate pricing. Pharma will just keep investing in new drugs with no profit motive, doctors will work for less, hospital construction will go down magically, the newest and best equipment not available in other tiny socialized urbanized medicine countries will be available in every suburb like they are now. No corners would be cut and no treatments disallowed like they are now in the UK and every other socialized medicine country. Our bureaucrats that are spending hundreds of billions now implementing their programs will magically cost less then the profits insurance companies take and have their act together. Best of all, Congress will administer the program faithfully, and never hold your healthcare over your head like the sword of Damocles. [/sarcasm]

Single payer health care is just another attempt by the "Me Me Me" hipster generation to get their kids and grandkids to care for them - again - because medical advancements arent worth as much to them as it will to future generations. Fix your Medicaid, Medicare, VA, and federal workers insurance problems first before you move on to the bigger crusade. Go nationalize another industry, or if you think profits of the health insurance industry are the problem, just start a non profit health insurance company. No one is stopping you.

 

No. That is capitalism. Socialism says that we have to destroy crops to keep food prices high. because it would be terrible if efficiencies and knowledge lead to lower prices for a better product. You feel the same way about free trade, and you feel the same way about auto manufacturing, and housing for sure. Your union loyalty is all about higher costs for an inferior product. That is your policy on education too. Anything you socialists dont think should be protected from consumer decisions, (inferior products always need such protections), at higher costs? (Either higher wages, or more spending, favorable lending, or via destruction to inflate prices?)

 

So you'd rather pay 400 dollars a week for a plan you can't afford to use because the deductibe is is more than you've got?

 

And exactly how is that going to work? Give you a hint. there's a reason the rich and famous go else where for care. You'll never find anyone with money in the British national health care system. Same goes for France. I am right now stuck with the VA. If I drop in unanounced because my cold might be the flu I can expect to be there 4 or 5 hours and it may be all day. Under similar circumstance my doctor, in the good old days when I had private insurance, would see me in an hour.

 

OK, when you get aaasswhipped on healthcare, try to switch the topic to depression era farm policy and hope no one notices that you are talking about Hoover.....

 

Healthcare costs have ballooned since the government got involved.

No country on earth develops more medicine, and delivers better results then we do.

If you do cost controls in healthcare it will work like cost controls in every other industry. You will have shortages. Less investment in new medicine if the profits are lower. Less treatments available like in every socialized health country no matter how rich and tiny urbanized and homogenous they are. Dodge all this though, and just say "there will be no consequnces, the cuts will come from thin air". You know you wont deal with an argument though because it doesnt start and end with "I want free stuff and other people should pay for it". That is the only concern of Marxists.

Hoover was a big government guy. What is your point? Big government spending is what made the Depression a disaster. He tripled this size of government I think. Massive increase, massive failure on a grand scale.

 

So your defense of Obamacare is that it's not a travesty, but just an annoying waste of money? Never has the bar for law, been set so low...

As to insurance through work, the employer mandate hasn't kicked in yet, so that's TBC.

 

Of course being completely ignorant of reality helps you hold these views, those who know the actual facts are stuck with a different interpretation.

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My defense of ObamaCare is that it was the best thing that was politically feasible.

 

Obama is the presidential gift that keeps on giving. Thanks to Obamacare tens of thousands -- if not hundreds of thousands -- of life time loyal Democratic Party voters will now probably be inspired (or enraged enough) to leave the Party and become permanent Independents and it's very probable indeed that a certain number of those will simply join the Republican Party. Thanks to Obama the formerly bottom of the barrel image of President G.W Bush is getting a redo as an ever swelling rank of ANGRY and DISGUSTED voters examine what Obama's ObamaCare law is doing to them and realize that they had personally never been THAT angry at ol' G.W.

There's lots and lots of reasons to like Barack Obama . . . they just are not the ones that fanatical Obama worshipers figured would pop up back in 2008 when they were genuflecting in the over-hyped man's direction.

 

It's a plan that asked low-income young people to buy health plans they don't need, and for existing health insurance customers to pay more for options they'll never use (prenatal care for the elderly? That'll come in handy). The fact that neither group is "going for it" is leading to the very outcome the law's planners wanted to avoid: adverse selection, and heightening premiums.

But really, the worst condemnation I can give (besides, subsidies? WTF were you thinking?): if it was such a good deal, you wouldn't have to coerce people to buy it.

 

Should have been single payer for the outset. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) democrats allowed the right to run over them on that one.

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...and they were going up well before Obama came along, and they didn't even have to cover you after taking your premiums if they decided not to.