It was all about Oil

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by stan1990, Oct 21, 2019.

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Do you believe that U.S intervention in the Middle East, Asia and Europe is Oil motivated?

Poll closed Dec 20, 2019.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    14.3%
  3. Maybe

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  1. stan1990

    stan1990 Active Member

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    It's always about oil, gas. Why do some people think that the United States invaded Iraq to topple a regime that is described as a dictator even though during the 1980s, it was supplying that regime with weapons and ammunition? Weapons of mass destruction are only a pretext because it was supplied by Western countries such as the United States and Britain, and Iraq didn't have the technology to produce them. It is naive to think that the United States resembles the big heart cowboy who helps the inhabitants of isolated towns get rid of the bad guys because they don't know how to use weapons, and he demands no money.

    Countries like the United States and Britain are known to have supported dictatorships such as Augusto Pinochet in Chile and Argentina's military regime. Before that, the United States supported all coup attempts in Latin America. It started with the 1954 coup in Guatemala because President Jacob Arbenz had nationalized part of the United Fruit Company's unused land. Propaganda against Guatemala, which focused on being a state ruled by a communist president, was carried out by the famous propaganda tycoon Edward Bernays. But what the United States did there would not be surprised when everyone recognizes the names of the United Fruit Company owners. All the crimes committed by the military regimes in Latin America were not enough to provoke humanity and human rights sentiment with successive US administrations.

    Oil is the primary reason behind every conflict from Europe to Latin America and the Middle East. Even in Asia, in Burma, a country important to China as a potential transit area for oil pipelines. The conflict over the South China Sea fueled by US interventions in Asian affairs has to do with oil. The US worried about the growth of Chinese military power and the economy is seeking to block it off from its energy sources. A new Cold War in Asia with China not the Soviet Union as the peer and, of course, the United States, a country addicted to wars and proxy intervention in other countries' affairs. The conflict in Ukraine over the region known Dneiper-Donets is only another chapter of the world's oil wars. The region bordering Russia is floating on an enormous oil reserve estimated at billions of barrels of oil in an unconventional area for oil deposits. In Syria, Western countries such as the United States, Britain, France and Arab allies have financed terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda and ISIS to topple a regime they describe as bloody and dictatorial. But these organizations, bragging about their crimes and publishing videos in which Syrian civilians are beheaded, is nothing but a tool in Western countries to use in proxy wars that have been linked in one way or another to oil.

    To conclude the thread by talking about Iraq as it began, there is a number of facts confirming American intentions to invade Iraq, which is floating on the second oil reserves after Saudi Arabia. First, Halliburton, whose former director, Dick Cheney, US Vice President George W. Bush, published a report in October 2002 on the control of oil fields and refining facilities after the invasion and occupation of Iraq. The American occupation forces took control of the Iraqi Oil Ministry even before its military deployment in Baghdad was completed. Second, in the weeks following the invasion, the US deputy defense secretary admitted that oil was the cause, not the fight against terrorism. Third, the United States has tried hard to find even weak evidence linking the Iraqi regime to fundamentalist Islamist organizations such as al-Qaeda but failed. Finally, no weapons of mass destruction have been discovered in Iraq and turned out to be fabricated and false reports by Iraqi opposition and citizens who wished their refugee applications accepted in Western countries by fabricating fictitious stories of chemical and biological weapons in mobile trucks roaming the various regions of Iraq for camouflage.

    All these wars, which killed hundreds of thousands of dead, wounded and missing, massive destruction of infrastructure, and economic collapse have only one reason: the US desire to control the sources of energy and its transmission lines for geopolitical goals within the framework of the new Cold War and its conflict with Russia. And China.

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  2. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Would that life were so Damn simple especially in the Middle East.
     
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    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

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    Clearly, Desert Storm was about making sure that oil flowed freely. Libya was also about oil. The Iraq war was about fear that a 9/11 with wmds would be more of a disaster than we thought it was at the time.

    We don't have to worry about it anymore ,,, except as it drives decisions buy our allies and former allies.
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    The world depends heavily on oil. If the flow of most oil were stopped millions would starve to death.
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes, it's not as much about oil as what oil actually does to stabilize and or destabilize everything.

    Even if we are energy independent, it still factors on bits a global market.
     
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    I voted yes, but you explained why as well as I could have.

    Even though we are energy independent, in a purely import vs export metric, our allies are not, and oil is a global market.

    The majority of the world's oil supply flows from the middle east, and someone needs to be sure that continues unimpeded.
     
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    Robert E Allen Banned

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    What would the middle east look like if western investment in oil not been pursued?

    Desert wasteland with small and starving populations..

    Everything that the ME has is due to western investment.

    Yes, our involvement in the middle east is about oil...

    That doesn't make it bad or evil or wrong.
     
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    Had to vote no, because we aren’t in Asia or Europe because of it
     
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    Oil is crude, so some other picture must be painted to get people on board.

    But people don't realize that their life, the high quality and ease and lack of physical hard labor thereof, depends on crude, as does the amount of money in their pocket.
     
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    And 50% of the U.S. oil comes from fracking. Both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have stated they will suspend all fracking in the U.S. on their first day in office. Talk about 2 ignorant people.
     
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  11. Spim

    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    really? i hadnt heard that.
    that would remove warren from "due consideration " if true

    edit: confirmed its true. I might be able to skip the general debates entirely, this could be a real time saver!
     
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    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    That is very true. Unfortunately, oil is also non-renewable. So, why are we sitting on our behinds without planning for the time after oil, even though oil (it is really cheap energy) is so crucial to our economy and everyday lives?
     
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    Oil could be made a contraband substance now, close all ports, borders, and marine facilities to it, and then see how it goes.
     

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