Italian Study Finds INCREDIBLE Prophylaxis Results for Patients on Hydroxychloroquine

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...phylaxis-results-patients-hydroxychloroquine/

Thanks to Gatewood for the find. The study itself is in Italian but a summary is:

"The Italian Society for Rheumatology studied 65,000 patients on longterm hydroxychloroquine for RA and Lupus.

Only 20 patients tested positive for COVID-19. No ICU, no deaths.

This is a 90% reduction in infection rate compared to the rest of Italy."

Great news, right? Sounds like a game changer to me.

 

Gateway Pundit is referencing an Italian op-ed for this story. And they are exaggerating and fibbing at that. Try harder next time.

 

Try reading next time. The Italian study link is there.

 

It links to an Italian op-ed. There is no study of rheumatoid patients and covid-19. There is a registry of patients losely referenced in the op-ed so that they can be monitored which gateway pundit is trying to pass off as a study.

 

It is a summary of the results of 65,000 long term users of the drug, only 20 came down with the virus, with no deaths or ICU. That is a 90% reduction of what you would statistically expect based on Italian numbers. Remember these are people with underlying health issues. Great news, right?

 

That is not a scientific study. It is anecdotal.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092485792030145X?via=ihub

Leave the science to the scientists and stop wasting people's time with your hero worship.

 

All data is anecdotal. Do you have reason to question those totals? What are the chances of them being coincidence.

Pot, meet kettle. The French doctor who has shown a very positive outcome with the drug is a respected scientists dealing in infectious diseases, take a look at this bio:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didier_Raoult

Stop letting people die with your Trump hate.

 

Great news. I took the stuff frequently for a year in Vietnam. I wonder how long it lasts as prophylaxis? Probably not that long.

 

No. It is not a study. SIL has started a registry. A few people have registered. Unsurprisingly dead people have not registered and anyone who registered and later died have not updated their status to dead.

 

Probably not, lol, but Im pulling for ya.

 

I think that study is in Italian, but there are links to other studies for those who don't consider dead Americans an opportunity

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092485792030145X?via=ihub

International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents
Available online 17 April 2020, 105988

 

The word science has a meaning.

sci·ence
/ˈsīəns/

noun

1. the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Observation is as much a part of science as experimentation.

 

The only thing I am learning from these threads started by @Paul7 regarding hydroxychloroquine is that some of Trump's supporters who were the most vocal in joining Trump in hyping the treatment merely because Trump had jumped the gun on the issue, aren't going to give up on it that easily. I guess this is going to be somewhat like the Iraq WMD stories peddled by Bush and the neocons -- one of those things that even after the original claimants have retracted their claims, some of their supporters and most obstinate in insisting those claims were valid will still look to prove the point

I am still not ruling out hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment, even if the evidence that it can really play a role in the fight against Covid-19 is becoming even harder to support given some recent studies. But one thing is clear to me: we don't need several different threads about this 'miracle treatment'. Any one of the existing ones should do.

 

And of course all of those patients have serious preconditions.

 

Thread is a perfect example of what I call the "concerned social scientist fallacy" in which partisans and shills, almost always LW, demand utter epistemological certainty from POVs they find inconvenient politically, while providing -no- evidence of any of their own claims or counterclaims. Look familiar?

So while you concerned social scientists go on and on about draconian virus mitigation methods with exactly -0- science underlying, we see all your infinite hair splitting for exactly what it is.

 

The doctors of the world are using hydroxychloroquine. They could care less about Trump.

 

Doctors can choose to give their patients whatever they are legally allowed to proscribe. Even if they proscribe a vitamin pill, they will find the large majority of their patients recover from Covid-19. But for those who want to really know which treatment works, particularly against a virus where only a percentage of those who have contracted it, get really ill and die, they will need to wait for results of clinical studies on the subject.

Not that it will prevent those who are trying to make buck from the hysteria about this drug, and who want to use their own patients as guinea pigs in the process of looking to both make a buck and maybe make a name for themselves, stop doing things that may not always be guided by what is strictly meant to help patients. Doctors, after all, are humans too! And some of them are frauds like the rest of the frauds that exist in other professions.

 

Hydroxchloroquine is saving lives.

 

"The doctors of the world are using hydroxychloroquine. They could care less about Trump."

Are they? Given the course of the pandemic it seems unlikely. It doesn't appear to be doing much if anything...

 

Oh my . . . I think I am going to have to channel my inner leftist in order to reply to this announcement. Give me a moment to gear-down my brain cells . . . "B-B-But since Trump brought up its use inside the United States it MUST be . . . bad. 65,000 patients with such a huge number of survivors? Doesn't count! Only double blind studies and piles of dead bodies count! Italy is right wing and so this doesn't count!"

Ouch! That last objection actually hurt my brain. Anyway, thanks for bringing this to the attention of the forums system.

 

Not great news for the enraged left who seem not to want anything to cure or even mitigate the effects of the Chinese virus.
Everyone here needs to understand their goal is to keep this ball rolling until the day before election. They don't care about deaths, the economy, middle-class jobs, or people's misery index. It is all about power and they must have had a very depressing day yesterday reading the Gallup poll.

 

Yep, Trump's numbers are again bouncing back. All it takes is a bit of time for people to logic through the MSM generated political propaganda.

 

In spite of all the malcontents whining,
Costa Rica joins a growing list of several countries who are using hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for patients diagnosed with the Covid-19 virus.

Bahrain was one of the first countries in the world to administer Hydroxychloroquine to treat active coronavirus cases, the Chairman of the Supreme Council of Health, Head of the National Taskforce for Combating the coronavirus, Sheikh Mohamed bin Abdullah Al Khalifa said.

The Kingdom first used the drug on 26 February, following the registration of its first case on 24 February.

India’s health ministry has recommended the use of hydroxychloroquine as a preventative treatment for healthcare workers, as well as households in contact with confirmed cases if they have a prescription from a doctor.

In Brazil, a clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine led by the Albert Einstein Hospital in Sao Paulo in conjunction with other Brazilian hospitals is testing the effectiveness of the drug in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin on patients with COVID-19.

https://theirishsentinel.com/2020/0...ing-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-patients/

 

It’s the first line of defense in Connecticut hospitals. The reason the media is trying so damn hard to convince you that HCQ is worthless is that it is generic and costs $0.80 per pill, where as remdesivir is still under patent and costs $1000.00 per course. Big pharm stands to make a killing on this, along with anyone with investments in Gilead. Hmm, I wonder who has Shares of Gilead in their portfolio.

The media is pimping you out.

 

I'm not interested in it merely because Trump discussed it, but because of the science behind it. It is being used globally, whether you like it or not. Why would anyone give up on it?

There were WMDs in Iraq, not that that justified the war. A better example would be those who pushed the Russia collusion delusion for years.

If you're talking about the VA study, that one has been debunked in a thread here.

You're only seeing threads to counter lefties who diminish the drug for political reasons. When I want your advice on what to post I'll let you know.