Italy trying to increase their birthrate

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The country of Italy is embarking on an initiative to increase their birth rate.

    Right now, birth rates across Europe are low, but the problem is especially dire in Italy due to the economic situation there.
    Italians claim they cannot afford families, especially younger Italians, and especially in the Southern half of the country.


    Of course, the country could just let in immigrants to solve the problem, but they want to preserve their country's culture. They don't want Italy to turn into just another version of North Africa.

    What is Italy doing to increase its plummeting birth rate? - The Local

    As Italy records a historic low birthrate and the president calls for "every possible initiative" to reverse the trend, we look at why it's happening and what's really being done.

    A new record low number of births was registered in Italy in 2019, according to the latest data released this week by national statistics bureau Istat.

    There were just 435,000 births registered in Italy last year, the lowest on record, meaning the country's overall population is ageing more than ever before.

    The growing demographic crisis, with births falling and life expectancy rising, is thought to be both a symptom and one of the causes of Italy's chronically stagnant economy.

    While most Italians do want to have at least two children, according to Istat, experts point out that Italy's high levels of unemployment, the proliferation of badly-paid, short-term work contracts, and a lack of affordable housing and childcare mean many young people put off starting a family as they think it's unaffordable to do

    The average age at which women in Italy have their first child is now 31 - the oldest in the EU

    As younger Italians continue to move abroad to find work, immigrants increasingly make up a new tax-paying workforce in Italy, as well as caring for the ageing Italian population.

    The majority of professional caregivers in Italy - 80 percent by some estimates - are foreigners.


    Prime Minister Mario Draghi is seeking to turn around the decline in Italy’s birth rate with a 21 billion-euro ($25.4 billion) plan including measures like a universal income for all workers.

    The situation looks critical, after the country’s natality fell to a record low in 2020 with about 16,000 fewer births compared with the previous year. Experts say the economic fallout from the pandemic is to blame, with the impact hitting women particularly hard.

    "Without children, Italy’s fate is to age, and then disappear," Draghi said Friday at an event dedicated to supporting family growth. The premier confirmed that his government is planning to extend benefits for couples and women, including cash payments for families with children.

    Italy recorded only 404,000 births in 2020, about 30% fewer than 30 years ago.​

    Italy Birth Rate Lower Than Ever, PM Mario Draghi Wants to Fix It - Bloomberg
     
  2. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    The last thing we need is more people. Population is primarily what drives climate issues, water and food supply issues, and the degradation of the environment. The goal should be to reduce birth rates for the people making all the babies. The challenge is to develop a sustainable economy that does not depend on an ever increasing population. Sooner or later the population will exceed our ability to support it. Unless something wipes out much of the population first, or unless we stop making more and more babies, that is an eventual certainty.
     
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    If Italy or any other country wants to improve their birthrate (i.e., they want more taxpayers for big government spending), then they need to QUIT giving away free **** to illegals and the deadbeats. Cut taxes, cut regulations...in other words INCREASE FREEDOM and damn sure seal the borders. Promote from within, do NOT let trash infiltrate your country...and UBI and the like is just an incentive for trash..

    As always, the government is the PROBLEM not the solution.
     
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    Nonsense. As people get more wealth and education they tend to have fewer children.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean, in the other poorer developing countries where most of these people are coming from?

    How about a sustainable economy and society that does not depend on perpetual immigration?

    In a world without borders, that will happen simultaneously everywhere, all over the world, at once.

    "we"?
    Italians obviously don't have a problem with making too many babies.

    Do you mean countries in places like the US and Europe should undergo demographic decline for the future sake of people in other parts of the world?

    I'm pretty sure that will not do very much to stop world overpopulation, only slow it.
    (only a small fraction of the world's total population lives in developed English-speaking countries or Europe)
     
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    There is a major difference between needing fewer people and no people. Having a small birth rate, even below replacement ability can be fine, but in the case of Italy it's not a small birth rate : it's a collapse of birth.
     
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    Yeah, that's not going to happen. You don't understand Europe or the mentality of Italians living in modern-day Italy.

    That's just being realistic here.
     
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    And yet, Italians have less wealth than other surrounding countries (like France, the UK, Germany) while also having fewer children than those countries.

    Many Italian young adults are living with their parents, it's not financially easy for them to go out and live on their own.


    I went into the details of exactly what factors lead people to have more or less babies here:
    factors that affect fertility rates
     
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    The biggest reason birth rates are in decline throughout TheWest is, in my opinion, an overwhelming pessimism in the culture and a generally negative view on life.

    Us who were born in the 1990's have been told that the world is overpopulated and that if we continue breeding the planet will die and now, more than ever, are we constantly told about how bad and urgent climate change is. Furthermore, the contemporary dating world is a bit strange and hard to get around for many and on top of this we have the virus thingy. Additionally, a lot of young men and women of today are depressed too.
     
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    After the full impact of the gene-editing injections arrives, most of the 'vaccinated world' will see birth rates decline, is my bet.
     
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    I understand just fine, thank you very much. See below..

    For both of you guys, the cause of low birth rates is LIBERALISM. When governments promote liberal ideology, the birthrates eventually plummet. Liberalism creates a culture of **** and nobody likes ****. It slowly creeps up to a point whereby nobody is happy or feels free enough to live without having to worry about daily life.

    I tried to spell it out without mentioning liberalism as the disease it is to avoid a bunch of ****ing naysayers in love with the liberal ideology, but you asked so you received.

    ^^^^^^ @Ritter
     
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    So people should have babies they don't want to save a tiny culture that represents 1% of the world's population?

    People need to accept that most cultures that we know are going to disappear. I will never forget two young men from Switzerland who stayed at my place for a week while waiting for their apartment. They were here for their jobs. They lived about 50 miles apart in Switzerland but couldn't even understand each other at times. Over that short of a distance, less than the distance many Americans commute to work, they lived in different cultures that even had different languages. That was a remnant of the past. Modern communications, transportation, and the media make micro cultures a thing of the past.

    And NASCAR now has black drivers. All things change.
     
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    Huh?

    That post is kind of hard to follow.

    What the hell does "****" mean?
     
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    they accepted my citizenship through jure sanguinis with ease. i’m past my reproductive days though. ;)
     
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    I didn't want kids because I didn't want my offspring to have to live in world where people think like you do.

    True story.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    WE HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM AS ITALY !!!! As does Japan and most countries in the world with a transplanted white European population.
     
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    Hungary managed to turn it's birth rate around. Maybe the Italians should implement Hungarian policies.
     
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    They want to preserve a system... that leads to problems. Just increase immigration. It actually helps out a lot.
     
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    The reasons/solutions are in the story:""
    The growing demographic crisis, with births falling and life expectancy rising, is thought to be both a symptom and one of the causes of Italy's chronically stagnant economy.

    While most Italians do want to have at least two children, according to Istat, experts point out that Italy's high levels of unemployment, the proliferation of badly-paid, short-term work contracts, and a lack of affordable housing and childcare mean many young people put off starting a family as they think it's unaffordable to do

    The average age at which women in Italy have their first child is now 31 - the oldest in the EU

    As younger Italians continue to move abroad to find work, immigrants increasingly make up a new tax-paying workforce in Italy, as well as caring for the ageing Italian population.

    The majority of professional caregivers in Italy - 80 percent by some estimates - are foreigners.


    Prime Minister Mario Draghi is seeking to turn around the decline in Italy’s birth rate with a 21 billion-euro ($25.4 billion) plan including measures like a universal income for all workers.

    The situation looks critical, after the country’s natality fell to a record low in 2020 with about 16,000 fewer births compared with the previous year. Experts say the economic fallout from the pandemic is to blame, with the impact hitting women particularly hard.""











    Why are you worried about Italy's population?
     
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    Allow polygamy. Them sister wives don't seem to have a problem cranking out the little ones.
     
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    If there already aren’t enough jobs or housing, why would they want more people?
     
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    Population needs to drop, and economies need to shrink. Ours included.
     
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    So socialism
    In 2015, the government of Hungary announced a major new policy: families would be given generous subsidies to buy or build new homes, and the subsidies would scale up based on their marital status and the number of children they had.
     
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    I'm not familiar with the housing subsidies, nor did I know that you regarded that as socialism. Interesting.

    I know they over free IVF and a loan that turns into a grant if a family has three or more children. There are ways to increase the birthrate if they want to.
     
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