Its a Religion Now...100%

When the facts remain that:

1. The world is not warming
2. Sea level rise is a tiny fraction of what was predicted
3. Ice caps are at near record levels
4. Violent storms are not on the increase
5. Polar Bears have not gone extinct

Climate change has become 100% religion to the unwashed masses. Obama and company keep saying we have to fight climate change....I say fight what???

BTW: If you claim 1-5 above are not true, then you are just proving my point by making claims like the medieval church did that contrary to obvious evidence and data, the sun revolved around the earth !

Eventually even the liberal media will tire of having to print retractions and corrections to all these claims saying that "New Studies" now show the old studies were wrong for this and that reason but the New Studies are right and doomsday is really just around the next corner so send the gov't more money so they can save us all......

All hail Bishop Mann and Pope Gore...leaders of the one true faith....LOL

 

That's the Rush Limbaugh perspective. I have even a higher authority than the leader of the republican party.

6. The earth is flat and the center of everything.
7. The human race started with Adam and Eve.
8. Joshua stopped the sun.
9. Jonah lived in the belly of a whale
10. The rapture is coming so get on your flight suits one way or the other.

So says the Good Book.

 

It was a FISH Dingo.... living in the belly of a whale is impossible !

 

You can't just blame it on Obama. The original germ of an idea among the academics appears to have hatched somewhere between the 1968 release of Ehrlich's Population Bomb and the 1975 "Endangered Atmosphere" conference in North Carolina. It isn't clear from the reporting on that conference that they knew just what they were going to try and sell back then, only that they were uniquely qualified to provide the justification for it, them being so much smarter than everyone else, and very certain that they, being the smart ones, just needed to convince all the dumb folks to comply with…well…whatever.

At that conference were some of the folks who first tried the next ice age gambit, and then later reversed course and went with warming. Doing a much better job with the science involved in selling that angle I might add.

So sure…mindless belief in whatever is being sold is a prime precept of a religion. The mantra, reciting dogma, singing in the pews, everyone nodding in unison when the priests speak (they don't call themselves priests but the concept is identical) because, after all, you need priests to decipher all that thinking stuff…just tell the congregation what to think and move along.

 

The only religion the left wing fights for are the followers of Obama church and Islam. You know the ones that beats and stone women.

 

The last two posts represent respectively denialism with a pretense of intellectual respectability followed by a precaveman bigot, probably the more honest representative of know nothing denialism.

 

A pretense?

Read The Population Bomb, and then THINK. Read some of the reporting on the 1975 conference sponsored by Mead and then THINK some more. How about a quote from the keynote to help you along?

"What we need from scientists are estimates, presented with sufficient conservatism and plausibility but at the same time as free as possible from internal disagreements that can be exploited by political interests, that will allow us to start building a system of artificial but effective warnings, warnings which will parallel the instincts of animals who flee before the hurricane, pile up a larger store of nuts before a severe winter, or of caterpillars who respond to impending climatic changes by growing thicker coats [sic]."

So how is it that the climate change gang didn't follow exactly this script? Notice the part about "internal disagreements"....otherwise known as proclaiming that "the science is settled!" by those who should otherwise know better, and the insistence on calling anyone who disagrees a denier. Not considering the evidence and alternative science, oh no, we must call them names because otherwise they demonstrate these internal disagreements that we must stamp out. Notice the need to exploit political interests...sound familiar? Ex VP's politically interesting enough for you? Notice that these estimates have to be plausible, she certainly didn't say they had to be RIGHT. Heaven forbid, getting a bunch of scientists to agree on RIGHT might trigger the "internal disagreements" problem.

Feel free to think for yourself. Or not.

 

Wow, you're out there dude!

 

I recommended some of these jokers think. Or not. They have obviously chosen the latter.

 

I don't think they can or they don't get paid.

 

Mead, Ehrlich? What do they have to do with climate science? You're really losing it dude.

Ah, the signal of the conspiracy. There is a conspiracy site on Political Forum. Maybe you should pick it up there.

 

Best I can tell, poor Elmer is doubting his religion because of polar bears. His faith must not have been strong. I'm not sure what his religion was, but it definitely involved polar bears. He'll have to clarify it for us.

Deniers, are the rest of you facing a crisis of faith similar to poor Elmer? Let us know if we can help. And clue us in as to what exactly your religion entails. Do you, like, have to visit the polar bears in their habitat, or is a zoo acceptable? Do you chant and dance, and then sacrifice one of your own to the holy bears? How is the sacrifice chosen? There's so much we want to know about your strange primitive culture.

 

Like I said. I only ask that people think. Or not. You have made your choice.

 

Yeah, not to be impressed with your pathetic absurdities.

 

Under neither circumstance, you deciding to think, or not, did I ever assume you would understand.

Scientific training in this case comes in quite handy, first in understanding how relationships work at these conferences, why we pick the ones to go to we do, and present at, and then again in seeing how ideas are forged and put into motion and develop over low amplitude, long frequency wavelengths.

Watch this happen, participate in it for a decade or two, and you would understand better. Maybe. It would still require that you think, and you have already demonstrated an urge to resist this undoubtedly horrifying act. In geology we call it "marrying your map", you have so much invested in this thing you've created, this belief system, that you just can't ever imagine it going away or becoming irrelevant because the world changed. You'll take that belief, or map, to your grave.

Nothing to be ashamed of, it is exactly what is expected of the subjectively hidebound, the religious, zealots of any stripe, etc etc. Thinking just gets in the way and messes with the map....zealots can't have that, otherwise they wouldn't be zealots!!

 

PP please provide us with the source of your scientific training so we can warn folks off. Maybe there is a black hole imbedded in it that sucks folks into a flat earth world. lol

 

We've discussed this before. Zealots, regardless of topic, are zealots. I do not need one showing up at the office. Again.

 

LOL so a strong belief means Religion to some of you. LOL

one can't have beliefs without them being religious...aMazing.

 

Zealotry by its very nature involves strong beliefs. Doesn't matter WHAT the strong belief is about, your favorite religion/cult, the infallibility of scientists or your political party, how much better your kid is versus the kid next door, zealotry is simple zealotry. And does not tend towards being "fixed" by reality, history, factual information, better arguments, none of it work.

Zealots believe what they believe, and the reality of that belief is not required to be REAL....the Big Man In The Sky being one of the better examples, but genuflecting at the feet of scientists certainly is no different in this regard. As an scientist I put my pants on one leg at a time like everyone else. I put my data together incorrectly, and then corrected myself. I collaborated with other scientists at big conferences and over a period of years we forged ideas together along a common path. I put my publications up for peer review, and changed those publications upon advice from those peers.

The folks building climate models to always show increasing temperatures are no different in any of these regards.

The only good news with their zealotry is that it takes place in an environment that will always question, always compare reality to those models, and will naturally sift through what is worth keeping, and what was a crock. It has taken nearly 20 years for the hockey stick graph to be discredited, and this will only continue as science does what it does really well (even if we don't know how long it will take).

As early climate scientists knew, and TOLD us, they MUST come up with plausible, even scary scenarios to get people to behave the way they want. Science must be turned into a tool of compliance. I am of the belief that science is better than that, and have been encouraged by what has happened to the hockey stick, because that is science doing its job, rather than what a bunch of "holier than thou" academics WANT science to do as a control mechanism for the ignorant masses.

 

The crisis in faith is in the CAGW community with the ongoing pause that some still try and deny. The rest of us just look at the science. 52 excuses and growing for no warming.

 

Curious, are you a scientist, or just an angry american? If you are not a scientist, why do you believe what they tell you and throw out opposing data?

 

How often is the polar bear pilgrimage required of deniers? Is it like a trip to Mecca, once in a lifetime?

After deniers abase themselves before the sacred polar bears, how do you choose who gets sacrificed? Do you draw straws? Push the least popular person forward? See who runs the slowest? Stand in a circle and let the bears choose?

Do the deniers who get eaten gladly lay down their lives to nourish the sacred bears, or do they scream and struggle?

There's just so much we don't know about denier culture and religion, and this is a great chance for you to all explain it.

 

no, no, no, we're all waiting for the explanation on why there is still ice in the Arctic when the models said there would be no more. We are patiently waiting for your explanation.

 

I have excellent news, jc. I've contacted my pal Ken Burns, and he agreed an 8-hour documentary on the history of denier culture should be his next project. We'll be contacting you soon to get a film crew out.

You're going to be on TV! What we're asking it that you give us some good shots. Dress up in your church's regalia, chant your daily prayers with the family, make your lunatic cult claims, stuff like that. And if you know anybody from your church going on the Great Sacred Denier Polar Bear Pilgrimage this year, point them out to us, so we can send a film crew with them.

 

hahaahahahahaahahaha..yep when they have no response, here is what you get.