It's not them, it's HIM

Easy, he was the best most effective politician in my lifetime. I don't think this idea that he's some sort of version of Hitler will pan out historically.

 

It's simple. I voted for Biden in 2020. I voted in my first presidential election in 1980 where I voted for Reagan. Do you know how many Democrat candidates for President I voted for in those 40 years?

Zero.

Not once have I voted for a Democrat for President. So thinking I'm some life long Democrat who has only voted Democrat because I can't think for myself is just an incorrect assumption.

Reagan was originally a Democrat but then switched to the GOP. When asked why he left the Democrats he famously said, "I didn't leave the Democrats, the Democrats left me"

Well the Republicans left me in 1986 or so. I became a Libertarian. Voted Libertarian in every election (including 2016) but then the GOP lost it's collective mind and nominated easily the WORST candidate I've seen in my lifetime, Donald Trump. And I STILL didn't vote Democrat because I knew, deep down in my soul, that this country could not be stupid enough to elect and idiot like Trump. I was wrong.

So the Republicans did something that the Democrats have not been able to do in forty years. They turned me into a Democrat.

 

This indicates you have no idea what you are doing or that your political position shifts radically. Donald Trump had far more in common with Ronald Reagan than Joe Biden does.

You seem less rational than a life long Democrat.

I never defined myself by a party.

Because orange man bad. That's group think. I'm betting your complaints about the guy are exactly the same one CNN told you to have.

You already mentioned the pretend crimes that he's been charged with is though that's valid at all.

 

Either Trump tried to subvert the will of the people, or he tried to prevent it from being subverted with a stolen election. Most people believe one or the other. Politicians break the law all the time. Trump's alleged crimes are a crooked toenail compared to what other, more establishment-alligned politcians get away with due to the establishment ignoring and protecting those who follow along while targetting for punishment only those who threaten its narratives and agendas.

 

you must be very, very young i am not and have studied politics since the 1970s, the democrats might get off course, but the republican party since the 1920s have been the party of the rich

 

They weren't that desperate for a distraction then since trump hadn't committed his assorted crimes yet.
Hunter is just the new Benghazi. Same desperate irrelevant bullshit.

 

Lol very very young I'm 41 so the 1970s was before I was born.

I would argue the birth Democrats and Republicans are the same party and is therefore all the party of the rich and elite. I don't see either one really doing anything for the average person. Mostly because such people aren't the donor class.

 

So you don't believe a person can listen to an opinion and then agree with it. Got it.

 

So bill Barr , jeff sessions, Mathew Whitaker , Jeffery Rosen , they are all RINO because they didn’t go after Biden?

 

Well, the problem is Trump, eh?

But lets not forget, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43 investigations and over 8 years with no trump perp walk and no jail the question actually becomes "is trump really that innocent or are his persecutors that incompetent"?
The answer is yes.

Bet thats a huge embarrassment for liberals, eh?

 

They didn't have the power when Reagan was president and the family Bush is one with them ditto neocons in general.

 

Bureaucrats don't eat their own.

 

"the fruit from a poisonous tree" applies to all caught up in the DOJ corrupt FISA court case, which would encompass Mueller also..... They used tainted evidence and they knew it, so it taints all that was touched by that ill-gotten fake manufactured evidence...that would include Stone, Manafort, Flynn, etc... Remember, the Carter Page FISA warrant and multiple renewals was the way our corrupt government used a Bush era "two hop" rule to look forward AND BACKWARD into Carter communications and hop two people back in those conversation right into the Trump campaign... Our corrupt government used a great counter surveillance tool to spy on American citizens...

To this day it is a blaring obvious open sore on our system when the FISA court failed to even question or pushback on being abused by the DOJ illegal activities and no one was held accountable..

 

Jeff session was a senator from Alabama before he was AG. Jeff session was not a Bureaucrats

 

Trump and Trump’s DOJ had 4 years to make someone accountable for FISA court but trump was too incompetent to make any one accountable.

Hilary stole US secrets, classified secret and Trump couldn’t lock her up. Complete incompetent. Why people want this incompetent guy back in WH is beyond me.

 

When is the last time ANYONE powerful did a perp walk? There’s a handful. Was Madoff the last ? Not one was an elected official in The Oval.

 

The difference is that people who used to work for Trump are lining up
to testify against him, there is loads of physical evidence in recordings, video and lawyer's notes AND Trump's own admissions
that can be used against him.

There just isn't much physical evidence (yet) of Biden's possible corruption ... there needs to be more smoke to be a real fire. Is what it is.

 

Dude, after 20 years of investigations of Clintons without even an indictment, a few years investigating Trump seems like nothing ... and there will be multiple
indictments in the next year of Trump crimes ... so who is incompetent?

 

Team R had no issue scouring the planet to prove a stain on a dress somehow indicated high crimes.

Why wasn’t team red investigating like crazy during Trump’s administration? That’s on him. He PROMISED getting Clinton in prison would be a priority. Why did he lie, do you think? Because he’s a *****? He’s just a humble guy willing to turn the other cheek? What prevented him from going after this very popular lockherup goal?

You can’t blame a side from taking advantage. That’s right out of Mitch’s mouth.

 

I see some possible fallacies of logic with your reasoning.

A lot of the reason there are Republicans turning against him simply has to do with the news coverage.
(That and his trade and immigration policies do not line up with a segment of the Republican leaders)
I'd guess many of these Republicans don't really have a mind of their own to independently think about all the issues for themselves, or have some ulterior motives for wanting to dislike Trump and getting him out of there.

Then there are a lot of Democrats who'd like to "get him" by any means possible. You know what they say about lawyers.

What do the numbers really prove? For someone as politically important as Trump, a large handful of persons accusing him does not really necessarily prove anything.

If anything, a lot of the accusations so far could actually be viewed as evidence in his favor, since it shows there are probably a lot of accusations of wrongdoing without much basis or solid logical reasoning. Which sort of brings into question all those other allegations as well.

 

This criticism is totally valid, and worthy of being looked at.

Although one factor might be that the vast majority of people in D.C. are Democrats, so it is possible there might have been some resistance in the bureaucracy to anyone investigating.
If Trump had pushed for investigation, there would have been all sorts of media criticism against Trump for doing that, accusing him of inappropriate conduct, interfering in the independence of the justice system, being a fascist.

 

Nope, we got a lot of his minions and he's up on indictments.

 

And?

 

I repeatedly get frustrated at having to add 1 + 1 for you people.
You are unable to see a connection?

The point is the Left is now saying that something is Trump's fault, when the Left would have totally torn him apart if he did at that time what they are now saying he should have done, if he was in the right and there was corruption on the other side.

See a big logical inconsistency there?

 

He did but didn’t use the FBI/DOJ properly and that’s precisely the problem. The fruit from a poisonous tree that’s being bandied about 24/7 by RW media and the House.

There’s nothing on Joe but the keystone cops routine has definitely helped Hunter.