It's time to take a hard look at herd immunity

Imagine, for a moment, that the US had a firewall of individuals that were immune to the virus. Now, imagine if each person that survived COVID donated a little bit of antibodies---not enough to compromise anyone, but enough that over time with enough people we would see a collection of antibodies that could lead to a vaccine.

As states reopen and we head into the fall, playing offensive with the virus will be key. Continuing to do what we're doing reminds me of running in a hamster ball, and hoping to achieve some sort of result. Reclosing isn't a feasible option at this point, there has been too much economic devastation, and we don't know the long term consequences the current lockdown will bring. At some point, the government has to play offensive, not defensive in a pandemic. Herd immunity is a way forward to that help lead to some sort of vaccine, and open small business back up quicker. It doesn't guarantee a certain amount of deaths, as the virus spikes again (to no ones surprise), people will die.

The two pros that could come out of this is the reason why the government needs to start pushing herd immunity, and hard.

 

Herd Immunity doesn't happen until you get around 60-70%.

The USA is currently around 5%.

https://www.insider.com/expert-us-is-in-an-unsure-moment-with-coronavirus-2020-6

 

Yikes.

Sobering news.

When I hear people whining about the "Lost Summer of 2020" (No Sports, Concerts, Festivals, Etc) , I don't think that they are even cognizant of the fact that NEXT SUMMER could (also) be a washout (without a safe and proven vaccine).

 

Next time you come up with a brainstorm how about doing some basic research first?

 

Anything to avoid personal responsibility. Even the simplest acts are too much for some to do. Just what about 'herd immunity', letting people get sick and die like cattle, and then more people get sick and die like more cattle, strikes you as playing offense? We don't need to see 30%, then 40%, then 50% death rates to work on a vaccine. We are already doing it

 

I have done my research, thanks for the recommendation.

COVID is only caught once, which means as people recover from the virus, our populace becomes more and more immune until a cure is found. Given that 2 to 3 people can be infected at a time, it wouldn't take long for this firewall against COVID to be built as we find some sort of vaccine. It's the perfect case for herd immunity.

 

That percentile will jump not only as we reopen, but as we come back into flu season in the fall and winter. It won't be hard to obtain 60% of the populace If we even reached 50-55% of the populace---so half the country, half the country would be considered immune to COVID before we reach herd immunity status, which that in itself would be enough of a safety net for businesses of all sectors to reopen. Not to mention it would give the government enough bodies to do critical research to develop a vaccine.

 

No you haven’t

You obviously do not know the difference between passive and active immunity

How do you know COVID is only caught once? It is a corona virus like the common cold and if it follows the pattern of the response to the common cold then we may only develop temporary immunity

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766097

 

Please don't act like I was born yesterday.

As far as we know, people who catch COVID become passively immune to the virus, in other words short-term immunity. The case for herd immunity is boosted by the stats. 117,883 n the US have died, but 870,077 have recovered out of a total of a 2,165,872 confirmed cases in the US.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

This means that 870,077 Americans are passively immune to COVID. 870,077 antibodies developed.

 

There is no guarantee that because you catch COVID, you will die. So to insist we would all "die like cattle" is a bit melodramatic. As the numerical evidence shows in a prior reply I made, 870,077 Americans have recovered from COVID. That insists that nearly half of the total cases in the country have consisted of those who have recovered from the virus, at least at what the case total is now. More may have recovered and that number could be greater, we just don't know that due to inadequate testing. Hard times call for hard measures, and herd immunity is no exception. Playing offense is absolutely necessary here, and herd immunity guarantees we play on offense. Right now, we are playing on defense. This cannot co-exist with the reality that we must reopen, even without a vaccine, to prevent the country from a complete economical collapse.

 

Your numbers are already shown to be crap for herd immunity to accomplish anything but more death at astounding rates. Cattle chewing their cud next to each in herds, doing nothing other than waiting for the next to drop, is not an image of offense. Re-opening when the customers are getting sick or dying at the rate you need to be a 'herd', is not a recipe for a solid bottom line. No point in re-opening if nobody shows up to do anything but buy the same essentials, they were before you opened up. How do you intend to get customers to stand in line to buy, or sit in seats next to each other, when they think they are purchasing a virus that may kill their grandmother by doing so?

Get your clients/ patrons to a mask, or stay socially distant as customers, slow down infection rates and you can reopen and maybe make a profit.

 

Or maybe we won't develop ANY immunity

Just what IS "herd immunity" anyway. FAICT it means the disease has killed off everybody it can this time, is that it? Did humanity ever develop herd immunity to smallpox, or typhus, or cholera without vaccines and better sanitation? If memory serves right those diseases regularly killed off several million right up until the 1930s, (maybe even later but that was the aftermath of WWII.)

And I love the way all the Trumpers go on about how Corvid doesn't kill everyone who catches it, Neither does cholera or cancer, so what?. "Oh, I only lost 2 of my 5 children and they were sickly anyway, but at least I didn't have to wear an unsightly mask and the bars were open." Some people would be pathetic if they weren't so disgusting

 

A study conducted by the CDC of the sailors infected on the US Navy Ship showed that only around 60% of those infected developed sufficient antibodies.

 

What my numbers indicate is that people are recovering from this virus. You're expecting me to give you some sort of grand total overall, when this is an impossibility. Suppose we do hit a million Americans dead, that will leave a lot in pain. Hard times call for hard measures. The guidelines we have in place now not only is slowly drowning our economy, and this cannot stand. People can't wear masks in restaurants, food has to enter their body someway. And people can't wear masks at the gym either, they have to be able to drink without interrupting a workout. So the mask thing isn't going to work. The picture being painted here is most are terrified of the outside world because of COVID.

If you explained to people that they could live their normal lives pre-COVID, with the chance they could get sick then showed them how many have recovered versus those that have died, most would do it. Already, the traffic on the roads is increasing, and its not all work related. We are social creatures, and continuing to lock ourselves up because of the "what ifs," is not only unhealthy mentally and emotionally, but its not a realistic line of thinking. Most would be onboard with some sort of herd immunity once you can get the benefits explained to outweigh the cons.

 

Balto, the Democrats couldn't care less about you or your business, isn't that obvious? Just wait till the nail you with new taxes.

 

Let’s start with the definition of passive immunity and then when you have recovered from your embarrassment I will go on to the rest

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10091



So you did your homework??

 

Yeah

To pay for the stimulus that Trump ensured went to the big corporations including his own

 

But there are ways around it

More outdoor dining for a start

Spacing tables in restaurants etc

Adaptation is the key

 

I can agree with that, as long as the adaptation is temporary.